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[13:41:08] <kklimonda> hmm... buildout 2.0 doesn't support include-site-packages and co. has it been deprecated in the meantime, and if so is the "correct" way of creating an isolated python env using a virtualenv?

[13:42:12] <schmir> kklimonda: you can use virtualenv

[13:44:06] <mgedmin> I started using a ~/bin/virtual-bootstrap like this: http://dpaste.de/Hu7ni/

[13:44:14] <mgedmin> because I almost always want an isolated buildout

[13:48:42] <schmir> I use dedicated virtualenv installed by root, with --no-setuptools --no-pip

[13:49:38] <mgedmin> that's... a very good idea actually

[13:49:47] <mgedmin> (a single shared empty read-only virtualenv)

[13:51:51] <J1m> mgedmin, that's why I never understood the desire to have buildout's bootstrap create a virtualenv.

[13:52:50] <mgedmin> well, it's a logical extension of a few ideas: having things Just Work Out Of The Box, combined with the idea of never modifying anything outside the current working directory

[13:52:58] <schmir> J1m: while I'm here, buildout 2 script support doesn't work with scripts that contain "from __future__ import" statements...

[13:53:30] <mgedmin> schmir, https://github.com/buildout/buildout/issues/102

[13:53:52] <schmir> ok

[14:04:37] <schmir> J1m: thanks for your work on buildout, it's a great tool.

[18:54:47] <whyzgeek> hi is there anybody around?

[18:55:11] <whyzgeek> I have question regarding buildout as I am new to it

[18:55:17] <whyzgeek> I have a local pipy sever

[18:55:40] <whyzgeek> I created a project with buildout and everything works fine

[18:55:59] <whyzgeek> I could upload the resulted egg file to my pipyserver

[18:56:18] <whyzgeek> how can I make buidlut to automatically upload all the dependency eggs as well

[18:56:38] <whyzgeek> the idea is that another developer without internet connection can install my package

[18:56:43] <whyzgeek> without internet connection

[18:56:52] <whyzgeek> relying on my local pipyserver

[18:57:11] <whyzgeek> mgeadmin: ru around?

[18:57:25] <whyzgeek> mgedmin: ru around?

[18:59:28] <aclark> whyzgeek: bad idea… most likely. at the very least it's an open-ended question and not really what buildout is intended for

[19:00:46] <whyzgeek> aclark: so what is the alternative? assume I am working in an environment that is pretty close

[19:00:58] <whyzgeek> I can't rely on any public library servers

[19:01:16] <whyzgeek> and I can't replicate everything

[19:01:31] <whyzgeek> I just want those bits that I used be available

[19:03:02] <aclark> whyzgeek: all i'm saying is it's not a buildout question per se…

[19:03:45] <whyzgeek> aclark: correct I was hoping maybe a recipe is available

[19:05:44] <whyzgeek> I guess I found some solution may be collective.eggproxy is the answer