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[13:44:01] <aclark> morning

[14:08:16] <ajsmith> morning

[14:12:40] <MattBowen> morning

[14:14:19] <j00bar> yes. we are all very observant. it is in fact morning.

[14:15:20] <aclark> on the east coast at least

[14:15:50] <j00bar> lots of fans of DC python in croatia?

[14:15:59] <j00bar> :-D

[14:17:01] <aclark> j00bar: good point :-p

[14:18:12] <aclark> j00bar: btw that "social" job board idea that we charge recruiters to post to to generate DC Python revenue is a great idea

[14:18:21] <aclark> maybe i can crowdsource dev it

[14:18:27] <aclark> w/our github posse

[14:19:54] <j00bar> https://github.com/wtrevino/django-djobberbase

[14:20:00] <j00bar> starting point

[14:20:27] <MattBowen> sweet

[14:20:41] <aclark> j00bar: ooo, thx

[15:17:06] <hazmat> nice

[15:39:45] <aclark> you know, i'm tempted to throw new.dcpython.org in the trash and use django ;-)

[15:41:24] <aclark> who's with me?!? :-)

[16:51:30] <j00bar> aclark: if you can deal with a rapidly changing product, i've actually liked using feincms + elephantblog

[16:51:48] <aclark> j00bar: hmmm

[18:15:57] <hazmat> aclark, no! ;-)

[18:16:05] <hazmat> aclark, ptah ftw

[18:16:18] <MattBowen> ptah?

[18:16:42] <hazmat> https://github.com/ptahproject/ptah

[18:16:57] <hazmat> its just launching

[18:17:07] <hazmat> not quite out yet, but its a very nice pyramid based system

[18:17:22] <hazmat> good docs, unit tests, etc

[18:17:33] <hazmat> but embroynic

[18:18:37] <hazmat> i'm mean maybe i'm crazy.. but using somebody's random cms that doesnt have unit tests...

[18:18:39] <MattBowen> yay hazmat !

[18:18:41] <hazmat> re feincms

[18:19:09] <MattBowen> hazmat: i'm excited about ptah now that I know about it

[18:19:26] <hazmat> MattBowen, how's the new job?

[18:19:33] <MattBowen> hazmat: really good :)

[18:19:33] <j00bar> feincms isn't exactly "somebody's random cms"

[18:19:37] <MattBowen> I'm very happy with the move

[18:20:52] <j00bar> feincms actually is the backbone product of a swiss webdev shop.

[18:21:16] <j00bar> http://www.feinheit.ch/labs/

[18:22:03] <MattBowen> hazmat: how's the juju going?

[18:22:28] <hazmat> j00bar, umm.. thats still a bit random ;-)

[18:22:40] <j00bar> http://science.nasa.gov/ is random?

[18:22:42] <hazmat> MattBowen, ok.. its released into the wild

[18:22:52] <MattBowen> hazmat: that is awesome!

[18:22:56] <MattBowen> hazmat: congrats

[18:23:01] <MattBowen> hazmat: how has feedback been?

[18:23:45] <j00bar> hazmat: also https://github.com/feincms/feincms/blob/master/tests/tests.py

[18:24:03] <hazmat> MattBowen, pretty good, i was down in NOLA last weekend to show it off to the wikimedia guys, there starting to adopt openstack for their developer labs, and we showed them how to get juju to deploy their setup

[18:24:21] <MattBowen> hazmat: they gonna use it?

[18:25:03] <aclark> is it me or does github ignore .. note:: admonitions?

[18:25:09] <aclark> as in does not style them

[18:25:13] <aclark> appropriately

[18:26:20] <j00bar> aclark: not trying to start a flamewar, but that's not necessarily a bad thing :)

[18:26:32] <hazmat> j00bar, thanks, definitely some tests in there

[18:26:33] <j00bar> no, but the closest plone-ish thing django has is pinax

[18:26:42] <aclark> j00bar: ooo, http://science.nasa.gov/ is peppy :-)

[18:27:30] <hazmat> so that's what replaced plone ?

[18:27:33] <aclark> j00bar: i'm just saying Plone is a feature-complete-ish CMS. Django CMSes have a ways to go to match feature for feature. Plone is other things too though, not all of them good.

[18:28:10] <j00bar> aclark: sure. plone's definitely a very mature cms, and there isn't a django cms that matches plone/mambo/joomla/etc.

[18:28:26] <hazmat> hmm. the search quality on that site could use some help.. first 'planet' link is to a thumbnail

[18:28:40] <hazmat> actually the first three links

[18:28:58] <aclark> OTOH working with Django is incredibly freeing. like, you can just "do stuff". not far from brain to website

[18:29:06] <hazmat> actually all the links on the first page are image links

[18:29:37] <hazmat> ditto for 'mars'

[18:29:49] <aclark> i like the "faceted" thing on the left here: http://science.nasa.gov/search/?q=nasa

[18:30:04] <j00bar> haystack, i think.

[18:30:22] <hazmat> via solr probably for faceting, although xapian can do it.

[18:31:34] <hazmat> man those unit tests are strange

[18:31:41] <hazmat> they require being run in a particular order to succeed

[18:42:09] <MattBowen> I was wondering why they numbered 'em