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[01:09:32] <aclark> kennethreitz: there are so many cool things i could add to vanity, time permitting.

[01:09:53] <aclark> kennethreitz: maybe starting with the only bug ever filed would be a good start ;-)

[01:09:55] <kennethreitz> dude, i used to literally go the file view

[01:10:02] <kennethreitz> and open each release manually

[01:10:07] <aclark> kennethreitz: yup! me2

[01:10:11] <kennethreitz> and add them up

[01:10:12] <kennethreitz> :)

[01:10:17] <aclark> and count with a calculator… hah

[01:10:47] <kennethreitz> I'm so glad you wrote this ;)

[01:11:12] <aclark> kennethreitz: thanks!

[01:12:16] <aclark> kennethreitz: (and credit goes to Plone's David Glick, i just ripped off his code ;-))

[01:12:59] <kennethreitz> i might reflog this

[01:13:16] <aclark> what's reflog?

[01:13:24] <kennethreitz> GitHub Reflog

[01:13:33] <kennethreitz> https://github.com/blog/818-github-reflog-v1-3-21

[01:14:22] <aclark> kennethreitz: oh great, please do! :-) i just fixed the readme (txt -> rst)

[01:16:00] <kennethreitz> if i have room :)

[01:16:07] <aclark> is it me or does gh not style rst correctly?

[01:16:10] <aclark> in every case

[01:16:21] <aclark> like i can't do .. note::

[01:16:24] <aclark> some note

[01:17:17] <kennethreitz> i've never had any issues

[01:17:22] <kennethreitz> ahh

[01:17:25] <kennethreitz> yeah it doesn't do that

[01:17:30] <kennethreitz> isn't that more of a sphinx thing?

[01:18:02] <kennethreitz> i think '..' lines are *technically* comments

[01:18:32] <aclark> pftss

[01:18:36] <aclark> hmmm

[01:18:44] <aclark> dunno

[01:19:05] <aclark> not sure how it could be a sphinx thing, it's in rst docs…

[01:23:25] <aclark> vanity was created in my "refuse to create a package" phase

[01:24:09] <aclark> had i not been so stubborn, i could have gotten away without a MANIFEST.in via include_package_data I suspect

[01:31:26] <aclark> Wow Django has doubled in downloads since i wrote vanity

[01:31:39] <aclark> from 1/4 million to 1/2 mil

[01:32:05] <aclark> yowza: https://github.com/aclark4life/vanity/commit/a4de5e2435b72da9f7e05c0a3b50d74035058985

[19:03:32] <joshdata> So how 'bout that Python language...

[19:32:05] <aclark> joshdata: heh

[19:32:34] <mboehm> I'm here as well

[19:32:45] <aclark> hello!

[19:33:07] <mboehm> hey alex! This is Matt Boehm, from the last NOVA python meetup

[19:33:35] <aclark> mboehm: hello! i wasn't there, was it good?

[19:34:14] <mboehm> ahhh, that's right. I think I've confused you with the person who hosted it in your absence... was that ryan I think?

[19:34:27] <aclark> yup, ryan day

[19:34:33] <aclark> Mr. NOVA Python :-)

[19:34:46] <mboehm> ahhh okay, then I suppose you can disregard the email I sent you. I'll send it to him

[19:34:46] <aclark> not sure if he's joined the channel yet

[19:35:52] <aclark> mboehm: oh hah, i was thinking you meant you told me about an ack plugin in the channel… and that i might be losing my mind

[19:36:29] <mboehm> yeah sorry, I has seen your name in the meetup page so automatically associated it with the host

[19:38:11] <aclark> mboehm: np

[19:38:58] <mboehm> aclark: It was pretty good though. Ryan showed off a python proxy he's been working on, someone gave a primer on python's logging modules, and I gave a brief demo of pdb

[19:39:17] <mboehm> er, logging module*

[19:39:58] <aclark> mboehm: nice!

[19:40:00] <aclark> glad to hear

[19:46:16] <mboehm> I've been toying with the Idea of using weberror for typical non-wsgi apps, but can't decide if it's novel or just a dirty hack

[19:47:42] <mboehm> has anyone here played with weberror before? I stumbled upon it almost by accident when we migrated to turbogears at work and it uses weberror by default for dev servers

[19:49:00] <aclark> mboehm: i haven't, but you might find bbangert in the #pyramid channel

[19:49:20] <mboehm> alright, I might hop over there in a bit then

[19:49:44] <mboehm> don't want to let myself get too distracted from this AI class video

[19:49:50] <aclark> mboehm: tell'em DC Python sent you ;-)

[19:49:55] <aclark> oh there's rday

[19:49:58] <aclark> rday!

[19:50:49] <mboehm> essentially when your wsgi app crashes, it links you to a page with the full traceback, and at each level of the stack, it gives you an input bar that lets you evaluate python statements on that level of the stack

[19:51:13] <mboehm> so similar functionality to pdb's error mode, but in a nice webpage

[19:51:20] <joshdata> Ohhhh neat.

[19:53:05] <mboehm> yeah, so I'm hoping to get that same landing page for non-wsgi apps

[19:53:52] <mboehm> I guess it'd be simpler to use pdb or make a comparable gui so I don't need to spin up a web server though...

[19:54:30] <joshdata> Like a web frontend to a debugger.

[19:54:34] <mboehm> right

[19:55:19] <mboehm> but it seems like it'd only make sense to spin up a server if I added enough other functionality to justify the hassle

[19:55:46] <mboehm> Like letting you launch applications or make quick edits to code via the web frontend

[19:55:53] <joshdata> Or embed a server inside the debugger (somehow)?

[19:56:00] <mboehm> er, run scripts

[19:56:28] <mboehm> That would definitely work. certainly doesn't need to be a high performance server