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[14:16:01] <hazmat> g'morning

[14:17:46] <MattBowen> morning hazmat

[15:59:57] <aclark> Morning dudes

[16:07:15] <MattBowen> i'm pretty excited about heroku coming

[16:07:25] <MattBowen> Did you see their Postgres-as-a-service?

[16:07:26] <MattBowen> that's rad

[16:07:34] <aclark> yup

[16:07:38] <aclark> cool stuff

[16:24:50] <j00bar> MattBowen: amazon needs some of that.

[16:25:03] <MattBowen> j00bar: agreed. I do not want MySQL

[16:48:05] <hazmat> integrity is overrated ;-)

[17:37:44] <aclark> j00bar == Amazon fan boy :-)

[17:40:20] <j00bar> aclark: i don't mind rackspace cloud. their lack of an equivalent to EBS and their sizing tiers are my biggest complaints.

[17:42:41] <aclark> j00bar: right, to some extent they cater to different audiences. I like the stupid simple UI of rsc's admin tool (and api). When doing ec2 last year i recall reading documentation for a long time before i understood how it worked.

[17:53:13] <aclark> so if django is moving towards WSGI can i do bin/paste django.ini in development yet?

[18:08:16] <aclark> j00bar: ^

[18:09:28] <j00bar> aclark: not being terribly familiar with paster, no idea

[18:09:42] <j00bar> but django isn't "moving toward wsgi" - most commonly it's used as a wsgi app

[18:14:48] <aclark> j00bar: http://pythonpaste.org/modules/httpserver.html, and i was referring to: https://code.djangoproject.com/changeset/17022

[18:15:23] <j00bar> aclark: i've got to go -- bbiab

[18:15:26] <aclark> just because WSGI is the most common deployment doesn't mean they support it well. my understanding is that it's gotten better over the years…

[18:15:30] <aclark> j00bar: ciao!

[18:16:13] <aclark> (people have been bitching lately about django deployments being "hard")

[18:20:19] <j00bar> aclark: just make a wsgi file: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/howto/deployment/modwsgi/#basic-configuration

[18:20:25] <j00bar> aclark: then it should work fine with paste

[18:20:48] <j00bar> aclark: that's effectively what we do with gunicorn at socialcode - gunicorn is just a wsgi container

[18:22:12] <aclark> j00bar: ah ok

[18:44:42] <kennethreitz> aclark: hah, i have python-packages.org

[19:22:13] <aclark> kennethreitz: nice, my scope is way diff

[19:22:40] <kennethreitz> python-packages.org is a little different :)

[19:22:46] <kennethreitz> er, will be.. eventually

[19:24:02] <aclark> yup

[19:24:22] <aclark> pythonpackages.com is The website for Python Egoists™ (whatever that means ;-))

[23:19:56] <jaraco> !seen aclark

[23:19:56] <pmxbot> I last saw aclark speak at 2011-11-23 19:24:22+00:00 in channel #dcpython

[23:21:20] <aclark> jaraco: YO

[23:21:23] <aclark> nice feature

[23:21:39] <jaraco> Yep. and it was broken in the MongoDB implementation until a day or so ago.

[23:21:46] <jaraco> I just updated to the latest pmxbot with the fix.

[23:22:17] <aclark> cool!

[23:57:00] <kennethreitz> !seen kennethreitz

[23:57:00] <pmxbot> I last saw kennethreitz speak at 2011-11-23 23:57:00+00:00 in channel #dcpython

[23:57:09] <kennethreitz> ceepy