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[17:58:35] <kennethreitz> aclark: looks like i should read all UPDATEs :P

[17:58:54] <kennethreitz> this requirment change is absolutely rediculous

[17:58:57] <kennethreitz> *chain

[18:00:03] <aclark> kennethreitz: we know

[18:00:17] <aclark> kennethreitz: not easy to dig out of 10 years of crap though

[18:00:19] <kennethreitz> these aren't eggs. these are lies!

[18:00:24] <aclark> hahaha

[18:00:28] <kennethreitz> the answer is use something else ;)

[18:00:33] <kennethreitz> start over ;)

[18:00:33] <aclark> oh sure

[18:00:48] <kennethreitz> the install has been running for 15 minutes already

[18:01:08] <aclark> but that's hard too; hundreds of companies make a living off this software… it's consulting-ware :-)

[18:01:14] <kennethreitz> it also installed the wrong python-dateutil

[18:01:18] <kennethreitz> that's got to be a problem

[18:01:24] <kennethreitz> hahaha

[18:01:30] <kennethreitz> it's like sharepoint for the python world

[18:02:02] <aclark> bwah

[18:02:03] <aclark> well

[18:02:44] <aclark> i've given up on debating plone, just try to help move proj forward.

[18:03:00] <aclark> because the community behind it is stellar

[18:03:18] <kennethreitz> well getting them to use modern packaging tools is a start :)

[18:04:15] <aclark> kennethreitz: yeah but you can't just write it off like that. Zope2 grew Zope2-like features one of which is ZCML. And people needed a way to generate all these "slugs"; it was a reasonable choice at the time.

[18:04:24] <aclark> s/Zope2-like/Zope2-like/

[18:04:25] <kennethreitz> i might work on getting a nice unofficial buildout buildpack

[18:04:29] <aclark> s/Zope2-like/Zope3-like/

[18:04:38] <aclark> cool that would help us a lot

[18:04:48] <kennethreitz> should be dead simple

[18:04:52] <kennethreitz> that's the whole point of buildout

[18:05:21] <aclark> then, someone was like let's use namespace packages!!! now we have hundreds of plone.* and zope.* and z3c.* packages all over the place :-\

[18:05:29] <aclark> "OOPS"

[18:05:42] <kennethreitz> doesn't pip break those?

[18:06:14] <kennethreitz> this smells so much like java

[18:06:17] <kennethreitz> omg

[18:06:24] <kennethreitz> HOW MANY PACKAGES ARE THERE!?

[18:06:27] <aclark> no pip can do NS packages

[18:06:31] <aclark> AFAIK

[18:06:33] <aclark> hahah

[18:06:39] <kennethreitz> there's a nuance

[18:06:42] <kennethreitz> of some sort

[19:38:10] <aclark> J1m_: is there not an option to tell buildout to build things w/relative paths? i thought there was but now i can't find it

[19:38:55] <aclark> J1m_: oh nm, relative-paths = true maybe

[19:38:57] <aclark> kennethreitz: ^

[19:39:23] <kennethreitz> aclark J1m_ like, in the config file?

[19:39:25] <kennethreitz> sigh

[19:39:29] <kennethreitz> i'll try that ;)

[19:39:32] <aclark> yep

[19:39:49] <J1m_> yes, relative-paths = true in the buildout directory.

[19:41:54] <aclark> J1m_: thx

[19:42:11] <kennethreitz> thanks gusy

[19:42:13] <kennethreitz> *guys

[20:02:32] <MattBowen> So I believe JSConf tickets just sold out in < 5 seconds

[21:36:56] <aclark> yikes