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[14:12:11] <MattBowen> Morning all

[14:23:51] <hazmat> MattBowen, greetings!

[14:24:01] <hazmat> MattBowen, how was the meetup?

[14:24:33] <aclark> hazmat: i hear it went well!

[14:25:09] <MattBowen> hazmat: it was fun!

[14:25:19] <MattBowen> hazmat: I at least learned a ton about mapping

[14:25:22] <MattBowen> and we had good turnout

[14:25:30] <MattBowen> hazmat: you gonna be at Pycon, or more home with the baby?

[14:25:38] <hazmat> MattBowen, pycon tomorrow + baby ;-)

[14:25:49] <MattBowen> oh wow

[14:25:56] <MattBowen> hazmat: this will be my first pycon; i am jazzed

[14:26:06] <hazmat> MattBowen, awesome!

[14:26:07] <rzoz> hazmat: get 'em indoctrinated early

[14:27:08] <hazmat> MattBowen, two recommends, study the schedule b4hand, download the mobile app, and give some love to the hallway track

[14:27:28] <aclark> super jazzed

[14:27:37] <MattBowen> hazmat: oh i've got my schedule all picked out

[14:27:38] <aclark> i can't believe i get to go

[14:27:39] <MattBowen> I did that like first thing

[14:27:47] <MattBowen> but I will definitely take your advice on the hallway track

[14:28:08] <aclark> i'm running hallway track non stop because i can't stay for sprints and i need to get sh** done

[14:28:20] <aclark> might catch a talk or two too

[14:29:24] <hazmat> rzoz, indeed, although i'm concerned that in our many core future, he'll be too concurrent for python

[14:30:00] <hazmat> pypy software transactional mem under the hood of the language, gives me some hope

[14:30:01] <rzoz> hazmat: heh, so many of started on basic ;)

[14:30:06] <rzoz> s/of/of us/

[14:30:07] <aclark> hazmat: did you come to the DC pycons when you lived in cali?

[14:31:14] <hazmat> rzoz, i've got a 13 year old i started on javascript last year, i think its probably the new teaching language, inspite of its issues. its pretty visual, and lots of decent books for certain environments (processing.js)

[14:31:25] <hazmat> aclark, i did.. the international python conference by foretec seminars...

[14:31:54] <hazmat> aclark, i remember the one that got snowed in pretty distinctly .. i think that was arlington

[14:32:02] <aclark> hazmat: nice!

[14:32:22] <aclark> hazmat: cool re: 13 y/o and JS

[14:32:40] <rzoz> neat -- i didn't know there was a port of processing to js

[14:33:01] <aclark> J1m: any interest in giving your pycon talk to DC Python in July? http://meetup.dcpython.org/events/23833131/ I know you prepped it at NOVA Python recently… but in case you feel like doing it again :-)

[14:33:18] <hazmat> yeah.. its quite nice... i've been able to use most of the processing books minus the parts that split out to java class implementations

[14:33:30] <J1m> aclark, sure

[14:33:36] <aclark> i guess i was 13-ish when i was typing in basic on the commodore 64

[14:33:47] <aclark> J1m: Cool thanks I'll add, what's the title?

[14:34:07] <hazmat> their still teaching modern versions of LOGO in the schools and summer camps.

[14:35:01] <aclark> never touched LOGO for some reason

[14:35:03] <J1m> aclark, I'd like to talk about 2 related topics: 1) A resume-based WSGI load balancer and 2) Fun with ZooKeeper

[14:35:12] <hazmat> resume, a wsgi load balancer -> "Content aware, scalable load balancing in python"

[14:35:22] <J1m> altghough these could be talks on separate occasions

[14:35:25] <hazmat> er. content/cache aware

[14:35:37] <hazmat> J1m, nice

[14:35:55] <J1m> hazmat, I like where you're going with the name.

[14:36:10] <aclark> J1m: k, added, thanks

[14:36:37] <hazmat> J1m, btw.. i forget to mention on the gevent list.. but if you want to use gevent + zookeeper, ie. async + greenthread.. using a pipe to write from the callback thread and wake up the invoker greenlet works quite well

[14:37:09] <aclark> This is really cool I think: https://pycon.disqus.com/

[14:37:16] <hazmat> i think i mentioned it on irc though

[14:37:23] <aclark> Would like to talk to them about how to add more features to pythonpackages.com/discuss

[14:37:47] <J1m> hazmat, yeah, I ended up using the api suggested on the list, which does that for me.

[14:38:08] <J1m> so it ended up being straightforward once I know the right api.

[14:39:58] <hazmat> J1m, interesting, i'll have to check that out

[14:40:10] <hazmat> that's my one issue with gevent, feels very undocumented

[14:40:56] <J1m> Really, I thought the docs were pretty good. There are certainly gaps, but better than most projects.

[14:41:24] <J1m> The older docs mostly apply to 1 and Dennis is pretty responsive. <shrug>

[14:44:19] <hazmat> i feel like most of the api isn't documented outside of the src, esp newer functionality in 1.0, just the very basics. the user api tries to mimic the thread api, so that's some value, but there's quite a bit more under the hood.

[14:44:38] <hazmat> the async watcher send that was pointed out in that thread is a pretty good example of that