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[00:13:12] <Frenchiie> anyone?

[04:24:49] <Frenchiie> I read this blog post about the advantage of mongodb over a relational db but i'm not convinced It talks about how in mongodb instead of having multiple tables and doing a join like in a relational database, the related data can be in the same document and only needs 1 query. However you could do the exact same thing in a relational database where you fit everything into one table and have redundancy. Where is the benefit? https:/

[04:24:57] <Frenchiie> also it seems to me that the example given was specifically made to the point so that the documents or tables related don't have duplicates where normalization is needed. Doesn't seem like a fair example to me but regardless if we don't need to normalize as per the example given why have more than 1 table?

[04:25:02] <Frenchiie> maybe i'm just not understanding the blog post but i don't see the benefit that mongodb provides in this specific aspect, where having all the related data in one document is better than that of using a relational database, given that you could use a single table.

[04:59:02] <Frenchiie> anyone anyone

[04:59:45] <Frenchiie> is this irc channel dead? waited for a reply for 6+ hours and no one has said anything in this channel since i got on

[05:01:25] <ashp> it's pretty dead

[05:01:27] <ashp> from what i've seen

[05:01:35] <ashp> I've asked a few times to silence

[05:01:50] <ashp> i'm stuck waiting for the worlds slowest mongodump right now, at 1am, instead of being fast asleep

[05:02:13] <ashp> as a mongo user with a lot of data in it, Frenchiie, i highly recommend you just use a regular database

[11:30:39] <Kake_Fisk> If I want to do something else than matching and returning the whole document, I always use the aggregate framework. Is there other methods?

[13:40:17] <alexi5> hello ladies and gentlemen

[14:02:34] <jaraco> Kate_Fisk: Simple queries allow for projections, so if all you need is a few fields from the document, you don’t need the aggregation framework for that. But if you want to perform any operation across documents server-side, the aggregation framework is the tool to use.

[14:41:18] <ashp> urgh, mongo finally got to the indexing stage and got so slow it ruined all my apps health checks

[14:41:21] <ashp> thanks mongo :/

[15:11:32] <ashp> I wish there was a hack to take a currently running index op and move it to a background task :/

[17:41:41] <damoncasale> Morning all...

[17:42:19] <damoncasale> I've been using the Mongo "group" command, which is deprecated. I'd like to convert it to aggregate instead, because I need to add other operations to the aggregation pipeline.

[17:42:41] <damoncasale> I'm not sure how to convert the "initial", "reduce" and "finalize" parameters though.

[22:50:30] <ross`> Can someone tell me the cleanest way to install mongodb 3.4 cleanly on debian sid (unstable)?

[22:50:40] <ross`> Through apt etc