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[00:07:26] <aclark> wiredfool: nice readme changes :-)

[00:07:36] <aclark> fireun: hmmm?

[00:08:42] <fireun> aclark: just as stated, code runs fine in a shell/python instance, errors out when run from within spyder and I'm out of ideas.

[00:09:04] <fireun> and by run from within spyder, I mean a python instance within spyder

[00:09:11] <fireun> which should make no difference.

[00:09:48] <aclark> fireun: use Pillow instead of PIL?

[00:09:58] <aclark> fireun: i'm not really following and no idea what spyder is

[00:10:09] <aclark> fireun: IIUC python-imaging in raring is still PIL

[00:10:20] <aclark> i could be wrong…

[00:11:02] <fireun> it appears to be pillow, which I also installed from source and experience the same issue

[00:11:35] <aclark> fireun: really? interesting

[00:11:46] <fireun> I have no confidence that it is Pillow, but I'd like to exclude it from being the cause.

[00:11:49] <aclark> oh yeah, 1.1.7+2.0.0…

[00:11:54] <aclark> maybe it is pillow

[00:11:59] <aclark> that's cool :-)

[00:12:18] <fireun> except it breaks for me (:

[00:12:28] <fireun> Spyder is an IDE

[00:12:46] <fireun> although that implies it is like Eclipse or something, which I do not think of it as.

[00:13:30] <fireun> code completion and docstring autolookup are the things I use most. It is mostly just simple.

[00:14:31] <aclark> ah

[00:16:18] <fireun> not sure why it would error out at that line

[00:16:52] <aclark> fireun: i'm not seeing how this is a Pillow issue… i.e. if it works fine outside of Spyder. If you can figure out a way to make it work with Spyder you are welcome to send a pull request and we'll include the fix in the next release

[00:17:43] <fireun> aclark: so nothing you can think to check to help illuminate why it errors on that line?

[00:18:36] <fireun> I've checked versions, paths, reinstalled, installed source, doublechecked that the calls I'm making are the way to do it.

[00:18:36] <aclark> fireun: no, no idea… i'd have to run Spyder to figure it out

[00:18:45] <fireun> heh, I hear ya.

[00:18:51] <aclark> :-)

[00:18:52] <aclark> sorry

[00:18:59] <fireun> you never know, you might like it.

[00:19:05] <fireun> thanks anyhow.

[00:19:32] <aclark> fireun: open a ticket in any event with that traceback in it

[00:20:16] <aclark> fireun: you could also uninstall Pillow and try the PIL 1.1.7 release (from source or pip install PIL)

[00:22:32] <fireun> thats an idea, might try that this weekend.

[00:22:56] <fireun> it is tedious to debug from a vanilla python prompt now that I've become accustom to spyder

[00:24:34] <aclark> fireun: readline should get you most of that stuff too… e.g. tab completion, etc

[00:25:47] <fireun> there's no converting me you know.

[00:26:56] <fireun> readline doesnt have a variable explorer

[00:28:29] <aclark> hahahah

[00:28:30] <aclark> ok

[01:22:00] <aclark> wiredfool: ok i whacked a good bit on the readme, let me know what you think

[01:22:24] <aclark> wiredfool: (you can see what it will look like on pypi with: pip install jarn.viewdoc ; viewdoc)