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[00:26:50] <aclark> acsr1: 3 top level categories sounds good

[08:31:15] <acsr1> I create first Trello cards and then work on them! That is done now for the three boards. The next thing is to use the GoogleDocs folder views to keep overview. Using prefixes like Plone.com [content]... result in clipping the relevant part of the doc name in the folder sidebar. Not cool. I Do some testing fisrt how a change will interfere with published links. And then do a dummy elsewhere.

[08:31:36] <acsr1> If it works out well I change the project as well.

[14:04:24] <acsr1> Hi djay75

[14:04:36] <acsr1> hi carolsixfeetup

[14:05:01] <carolsixfeetup> acsr1: Hi, how goes it?

[14:05:41] <acsr1> stackoverflow ;-)

[14:06:51] <acsr1> We have not much time, so we need to go slowly but constant...

[14:07:30] <acsr1> carolsixfeetup: I get an overview yesterday. Digging here and there.

[14:07:49] <acsr1> almost everything documented.

[14:08:14] <carolsixfeetup> acsr1: let me know when you have things to proof read. I am a slow writer, but a quick editor :)

[14:08:39] <acsr1> aclark is going to have the staging machine up and under backup.

[14:09:18] <acsr1> I am focusing infrastructure and process first to have everything done in the right place

[14:10:19] <acsr1> carolsixfeedup: as a non native speaker, I am depending on this to avoid comedy ;-)

[14:13:21] <acsr1> I am thinking to make a quick live dummy of our basic content (we are all in common not to bloat stuff). Everything descriptive in place.

[14:16:49] <acsr1> You can save me time if you link all existing SixFeetUp successstories under one headline in the GoogleDocs (including Blog Entry style stuff and stories from your newsletters. What I am scanning for is: "Customer Quotes", "Project manager Feeling Statements." And short and strong sayings that are on the point from a business success view.

[14:18:16] <acsr1> Please copy title, linkURL and extracted proper quotes (text + author, organisation) directly into the docs.

[14:24:30] <acsr1> translate this into a Trello card and then into a HowTo for the doc.

[14:27:44] <acsr1> done

[16:54:20] <aclark> acsr1: actually sixfeetup is working on the production server, if that's ready soon then we'll just use that. i don't know the staging site's credentials nor do i know if they have backups (someone else might though of course)

[16:54:40] <aclark> acsr1: with sixfeetup we can just assume they have tape backups (i think)

[16:54:50] <aclark> acsr1: actually, i suppose i could stage on plone.org in the meantime

[17:27:59] <acsr1> aclark: for backup on such stuff I still like 1/2 hourly repozo backups and daily rsyncs incl. blobstorage to multiple places. Snapshotbackups triggered via URL and keep 10 are not expensive today.

[17:28:03] <acsr1> aclark: This is maybe too oldstyle and more focused on rollback than on VM backups. Undo in Plone is too much inconsistent today to rely on it.

[17:28:53] <acsr1> Please use the solutions for these targets you like, but choose one ;-)

[17:29:01] <aclark> acsr1: right we can add that stuff to the buildout for sure

[17:29:10] <aclark> yep

[17:29:26] <acsr1> it has low footprint. And we can get rid of it later.

[17:29:57] <aclark> acsr1: so you don't have any login for netsights' staging site?

[17:30:13] <acsr1> Loosing work you have done is a sure indicator for having too much time.

[17:30:43] <acsr1> no, And I do not want one. -> Infrastructure team :-)

[17:32:38] <aclark> acsr1: you don't want to edit any content in Plone?

[17:32:40] <acsr1> If you setup the site, we need the intranet workflow as major setup, from my opinion including files and images with versioning.

[17:33:12] <acsr1> Oh sorry, I misunderstood you mean shell access!

[17:33:23] <acsr1> Not until now.

[17:33:42] <aclark> Nah, just wondering if anyone has any access to the staging site's Plone site to add content, etc.

[17:34:21] <acsr1> i focused the general workflow first to get others into work instead of crumbling around myself ;-)

[17:35:31] <acsr1> aclark: Do you have an account on http://plonecom.netsightdev.co.uk/ ?

[17:35:41] <aclark> acsr1: nope

[17:36:30] <acsr1> I did not want to enter the staging machine until I get a go from the infrastructure team, that backup works.

[17:36:42] <aclark> ah i see

[17:36:50] <acsr1> But one point is to dig if something is already there

[17:37:11] <acsr1> I ask Matth

[17:37:45] <aclark> acsr1: this is my main issue with not having shell access ;-) i can't answer these questions for you

[17:38:17] <aclark> i can assume that netsight has backups...

[17:39:23] <acsr1> Never assume, check it! We want to fly not swim.

[17:39:48] <aclark> Exactly

[17:39:51] <aclark> +1

[17:44:15] <acsr1> aclarc: changing the plan: Can you please manage with MattH: that someone can take a look and give the info that the site is currently empty and has no accounts. Then grant me admin access to http://plonecom.netsightdev.co.uk/ if necessary. Make sure there is an admin reachable during all continents daytime.

[17:45:00] <aclark> acsr1: forget it, i'm done with this :-) I will stage on SFU ASAP, unless the production server can be ready within 24 hours, carolsixfeetup ?

[17:45:14] <aclark> acsr1: i mean, i will just stage on plone.org for now

[17:45:50] <acsr1> That is what I mean. I do not want to waste my time on the old machine if there is no legacy stuff to work with.

[17:45:51] <carolsixfeetup> aclark: what is wrong with Matt's staging server?

[17:45:52] <aclark> acsr1: this whole back and forth with netsight is too frustrating IMO.

[17:45:58] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: nothing?

[17:46:00] <carolsixfeetup> ah IC

[17:46:08] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: it's a fine staging server :-)

[17:46:14] <aclark> we just don't have access to it

[17:46:24] <aclark> not even TTW AFAICT

[17:46:32] <acsr1> Kick and hide...

[17:46:48] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: further, acsr1 does not want to stage there even if we did (because I can't verify backups because I don't have shell access)

[17:46:55] <aclark> so

[17:46:56] <aclark> punting

[17:46:57] <aclark> :-)

[17:47:06] <carolsixfeetup> aclark: I will be getting your server today

[17:47:09] <acsr1> I can also provide a staging server here. But its not a good idea.

[17:47:13] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: \o/ you rock, thanks

[17:47:32] <carolsixfeetup> NP that is what I do best, deliver good news

[17:47:34] <aclark> acsr1: ok so we'll just stage on production, everyone happy

[17:47:37] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: :-)

[17:47:38] <acsr1> We need more rock'in

[17:47:43] <aclark> yep

[17:48:07] <aclark> i'm committed to being a PITA to everyone involved until ploneconf/deployment :-)

[17:49:06] <acsr1> The internet is Pita safe. Unless you order it.

[17:49:57] <carolsixfeetup> aclark: I said you in response to this question. who is the first plone person that is going to login and be resposible for it?

[17:50:12] <carolsixfeetup> if that is wrong speak now

[17:52:06] <acsr1> carolsixfeetup: Hang me in the morning!

[17:53:06] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: me is fine probably

[17:53:46] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: only other person would be martior as far as responsibility, followed by various AI team members (like plone.org)

[17:53:49] <acsr1> I share at once with aclark: I would like access to the Zope root if possible.

[17:53:59] <aclark> acsr1: you will have TTW of course

[17:54:38] <acsr1> just to suck exports

[17:58:56] <acsr1> Can someone make an initial generic setup snapshot prior to install the plonecom.theme?

[18:00:43] <aclark> acsr1: sure

[18:00:52] <acsr1> there seems not a plonecom.policy package to be in the buildout.

[18:01:04] <acsr1> just plonecom.theme

[18:01:07] <aclark> acsr1: do you want one?

[18:01:11] <aclark> we can create it of course

[18:01:28] <acsr1> if we stick with diazo tthat mabe enough, but wrong naming.

[18:02:11] <acsr1> it is better to seperate theming, since there are still discussions. And i want to avoid cast setup into theme

[18:02:38] <acsr1> It is important to work in parallel

[18:02:51] <acsr1> From my point of view

[18:02:58] <aclark> Sure

[18:03:30] <acsr1> go for it!

[18:05:32] <aclark> ok

[18:06:32] <acsr1> aclark: wyns approach to seperate servers is not paranoid! You misinterpreted me when you ignore the netsight server. It may contain existing stuff, and we need to check that!

[18:10:19] <aclark> acsr1: i didn't say it was paranoid… it's a good idea. as far existing stuff on staging, there is nothing AFAIK.

[18:11:36] <aclark> !m acsr1 carolsixfeetup

[18:11:36] <pmxbot> you're doing good work, acsr1 carolsixfeetup!

[18:12:13] <aclark> acsr1: wyn's idea was to have them on separate servers IIRC i.e. plone.org and plone.com on two diff servers instead of both on the current plone.org

[18:12:25] <acsr1> yep

[18:12:36] <acsr1> !m aclark

[18:12:36] <pmxbot> you're doing good work, aclark!

[18:12:41] <aclark> so, that's what we are doing

[18:12:42] <aclark> :-)

[18:12:47] <acsr1> lameculos

[18:12:52] <carolsixfeetup> aclark: the plone.com and plone.org sites are in separate vms

[18:12:59] <acsr1> thx

[18:13:00] <aclark> carolsixfeetup: right cool

[18:13:47] <acsr1> pull the plug and check if distributing VM works!

[18:14:09] <acsr1> No fear they just get slower.

[18:21:53] <acsr1> carolsixfeetup: it was interesting that the text of the interims translation of our German Plone brochure was already in the google docs. But only Maurizio Delmonte did a review. Did you had a look? We could use some parts to fill the web content in certain topics and refine later. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L2gNWeCt_yTiuy3bVz5HiTckf5Jiztoy6S4nbBJDKDo/edit

[18:22:40] <carolsixfeetup> I think Matt H did that

[18:22:52] <carolsixfeetup> I have not had a chance to look

[18:23:00] <acsr1> carolsixfeetup: I started a Plone group in zotero together with Jan Ulrich Hasecke in 2009 to make marketing research.

[18:23:01] <acsr1> http://www.zotero.org/groups/3197

[18:23:09] <carolsixfeetup> cool

[18:23:32] <acsr1> there is a folder structure: https://www.zotero.org/groups/plone/items

[18:24:05] <acsr1> most important are

[18:24:06] <acsr1> https://www.zotero.org/groups/plone/items/collectionKey/ZA9IP6VJ

[18:24:26] <acsr1> and

[18:24:27] <acsr1> https://www.zotero.org/groups/plone/items/collectionKey/T6BDGE9V

[18:25:09] <acsr1> I add the links to the google docs

[18:39:13] <carolsixfeetup> sorry, I was in a client demo. Had to focus :)

[18:39:48] <carolsixfeetup> I will take a look at the links later, I will try to get to it tonight if possible

[19:05:05] <acsr1> carolsixfeetup: Yes we have all a main focus!