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[16:09:18] <Ivo> hoiyoiyoi

[16:09:21] <jaraco_> I've added pmxbot to this channel to mirror pypa.

[16:09:37] <jaraco_> Logging is enabled, as in #pypa

[16:09:45] <Ivo> imho I don't like logging here :P

[16:10:04] <jaraco_> If there's a consensus to disable logging, that's easy.

[16:10:41] <jaraco_> I've updated the setuptools post-commit hook to log here instead of #pypa

[16:11:19] <dstufft> I'm fine with logging

[16:11:24] <jaraco_> It's also possible to strike unwanted log messages.

[16:11:24] <dstufft> I have logging on myself

[16:13:39] <Ivo> ya, distlib is making a .distlib folder as some sort of resource cache, except when you pull things from the cache and it checks if they're stale... https://bitbucket.org/pypa/distlib/src/7b5518d3451c37329f3633ef502f0d740b9c330f/distlib/resources.py?at=default#cl-35

[16:14:03] <dstufft> heh

[16:14:06] <Ivo> so yeah, plenty of useful functionality

[16:14:25] <dstufft> yea I'm uncomfortable with the way vinay treats distlib as a eprsonal experiementation playground

[16:14:53] <dstufft> Should we email Tarek and ask him about folding #distutils into #pypa

[16:14:55] <Ivo> well fine, but don't recommend it to others then :)

[16:15:08] <dstufft> Ivo: The problem is there's no good answer to tell people

[16:15:16] <dstufft> "I need to do X, what should I use"

[16:15:18] <Ivo> don't wanna just ask him on irc?

[16:15:24] <dstufft> oh could do that too

[16:15:33] <Ivo> dstufft: what sort of Xs you talking about?

[16:16:06] <dstufft> well like canIusepython3 uses it for hitting pypi

[16:16:43] <Ivo> I suppose you're not supposed to complain until you've made something better...

[16:17:12] <dstufft> Can we unset +n on this channel

[16:17:24] <Ivo> dstufft: isn't just the xmlrpc interface ok for that?

[16:17:38] <dstufft> /cc jezdez

[16:18:36] <dstufft> actually am I an op

[16:18:37] <dstufft> I dunno

[16:18:47] <Ivo> seems so

[16:31:34] <pmxbot> jaraco pushed 1 commit to setuptools (https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/) :

[16:31:34] <pmxbot> Don't trap KeyboardInterrupt (or other non-Exceptions) when testing download method. Fixes #172.

[16:41:06] <dstufft> #pip isn't redirecting to #pypa

[16:41:10] <dstufft> and I'm not a #pip op

[16:48:03] <Ivo> dstufft: what should happen is that anyone uninvited to #pip should be forwarded to #pypa, however you're probably currently invited

[16:48:29] <dstufft> http://d.stufft.io/image/1c0t33020B2q

[16:48:38] <dstufft> unless all those people are also invited

[16:48:48] <Ivo> I'd guess so

[16:49:08] <Ivo> there were a lot more in pip before, and quite a few were forwarded to #pypa when rejoining, after jezdez kicked them

[16:49:32] <dstufft> looks like jezdez left the channel

[16:49:42] <dstufft> probably the channel closed when everyone got kicked

[16:49:48] <dstufft> and the mode got unset

[16:51:08] <tomprince> That is the kind of thing that should be set via chanserv.

[16:51:13] <Ivo> how to irc

[16:51:16] <Ivo> :<

[16:51:26] <Ivo> i thought modes set by an oper would stay... :/

[16:51:31] <dstufft> No

[16:51:38] <dstufft> irc chanels are empheal

[16:51:45] <dstufft> they disappear once there's no one in them

[16:51:49] <Ivo> well thats what ChanServ should be for right

[16:51:51] <dstufft> unless you get a network op to add +P

[16:52:01] <Ivo> thats why you register them

[16:52:01] <dstufft> yes, you have to tell chanserv o mlock it

[16:52:07] <dstufft> it doesn't do it automatically

[16:52:21] <Ivo> I admit I assumed someone would have done that

[16:52:39] <dstufft> irc is not a good protocol

[16:55:08] <Ivo> jezdez: apparently when #pip was emptied the mode got unlocked because its not a permanent channel

[17:01:33] <Ivo> ahhh

[17:12:15] <Ivo> apparently this would not have happened if either you used /msg chanserv set #pip mlock +if #pypa, or previously /msg chanserv set #pip guard on was on

[17:12:25] <Ivo> bah humbug

[17:18:20] <tomprince> It is still registered, so you can still do that.

[17:19:09] <tomprince> Well, jezdez carljm and ianbicking can.

[17:20:56] <Ivo> i've always felt snugger when ChanServ was guarding a channel

[17:21:06] <dstufft> heh

[17:21:10] <dstufft> chanserv being in a channel bothers me

[17:22:19] <Ivo> you don't enjoy big ChanBro's warm embrace?

[17:55:50] <jezdez> hi all

[17:56:01] <jezdez> I'm on a spotty internet connection

[17:56:29] <dstufft> jezdez: when everyone left #pip the forward got turned off :)

[17:56:41] <dstufft> I'm not an op on #pip so I can't fix it

[17:56:41] <jezdez> wtf

[17:57:10] <jezdez> lemme try fixing that

[17:57:39] <jezdez> " #pip Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited"

[17:57:49] <dstufft> the mode is fixed now

[17:57:50] <jezdez> god damnit

[17:58:00] <dstufft> you can do it through chanserv

[17:58:38] <jezdez> you mean /msg chanserv set #pip mlock +if #pypa?

[17:59:02] <dstufft> yea

[17:59:11] <jezdez> ok, I did that

[17:59:20] <dstufft> ok redirect is setup now

[17:59:23] <dstufft> you might want to do

[17:59:33] <dstufft> /msg chanserv clear users Moving to #pypa

[17:59:34] <jezdez> turn the guard on?

[17:59:56] <dstufft> and yea maybe the guard too

[18:00:19] <dstufft> ok

[18:00:21] <dstufft> i'm redirected now

[18:00:45] <jezdez> okidok

[18:00:46] <dstufft> looks good, thanks jezdez

[18:01:04] <jezdez> you know with all the amazing things freenode does, they suck at writing docs

[18:01:24] <jezdez> it's basically impossible to just google that kind of stuff

[18:01:31] <dstufft> heh

[18:01:32] <dstufft> yea

[18:01:38] <dstufft> I've written IRC servers

[18:01:47] <dstufft> so I kind of have too much of this shit in my head

[18:01:48] <dstufft> anyways

[18:01:50] <dstufft> time to go!

[18:01:57] <jezdez> cool

[18:02:01] <jezdez> thx

[18:02:16] <jezdez> in the next episode: "how the hell can I rename a google group?"

[18:28:27] <Ivo> jezdez: sorry for getting plain /mode and not mlock

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> jaraco pushed 6 commits to setuptools (https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/) :

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Enable commented code (requiring ssl extra for tests).

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Add support for running tests via pytest-runner.

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Use pytest for running tests in Travis

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Bypass the 'manual test' when running with pytest

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Bypass shlib_test when running tests under pytest

[23:09:18] <pmxbot> Fix build of setuptools on Windows (do not create empty tag)

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