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[15:33:31] <hltbra> is http://python-distribute.org/ down for everyone?

[15:33:54] <jaraco> hltbra, Yes, no response for me.

[15:34:09] <jaraco> connection times out.

[15:34:15] <hltbra> same heree

[15:34:30] <jaraco> That site has been deprecated for some time. Any reason not to switch to setuptools?

[15:34:57] <hltbra> no reason. my chef cookbooks have that and chef started to fail and I was trying to find out why

[15:35:24] <hltbra> thanks, jaraco

[15:35:34] <jaraco> Welcome. and good luck.

[23:28:51] <r1chardj0n3s> yo

[23:40:34] <r1chardj0n3s> dstufft: I've rebased the self-check PR... I'm unsure whether I need to make any further changes though

[23:53:28] <dstufft> r1chardj0n3s: sorry was away

[23:53:39] <r1chardj0n3s> you're allowed to be :)

[23:53:41] <dstufft> r1chardj0n3s: I'm questioning the need for a command to do the slef check at all

[23:53:51] <dstufft> what benefit does pip self-check have that ``pip list -o`` doesn't

[23:54:38] <r1chardj0n3s> it's more specific and can be part of "if [check] pip install -U pip" [with actual correct shell syntax ;)]

[23:55:07] <r1chardj0n3s> it's a pretty weak justification, I guess

[23:57:29] <dstufft> r1chardj0n3s: yea, I'd just get rid of the command and move it into it's own file in pip/utils

[23:57:40] <dstufft> you can do pip list -o | grep '^pip' -q if you want to do the check in the shell

[23:57:52] <dstufft> it'll return a zero exit code if pip needs updated

[23:58:09] <r1chardj0n3s> mmm. ok, on to the logging; I merged from develop but didn't see a huge change in logging.

[23:59:40] <dstufft> r1chardj0n3s: standard lib logger doesn't have logger.notify