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[22:25:00] <dstufft> qwcode: ping

[22:25:10] <qwcode> dstufft, hey

[22:25:40] <dstufft> qwcode: hey, I had a thought, and I think you know the code/use cases better than I do

[22:26:25] <dstufft> We can't universally make random build directories because of the pip install --no-install && pip install --no-download option work flow right? (I know they are deprecated but we didn't remove them yet)

[22:26:59] <qwcode> dstufft, I was hoping they could be removed next release

[22:27:41] <dstufft> you mean 7.0 yea?

[22:27:45] <dstufft> not 6

[22:27:54] <qwcode> yes

[22:28:01] <dstufft> my thought was

[22:28:20] <dstufft> can we do a random build directory in 6.0, if the --no-install and --no-download flags are *not* specified?

[22:28:36] <dstufft> iow is there anything depending on a static build dir without those flags

[22:30:06] <qwcode> I don't think so, but I'd have to look closer. but the idea in general sounds fine to me.

[22:30:28] <qwcode> is there something pressing for 6.0 to consider this before release, or you're just motivated now?

[22:32:01] <dstufft> qwcode: I was thinking about https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1964 which also affects ensurepip (I encountered it myself while working on ensurepip for 2.7, and it sucked to diagnose it because the error message tells you nothing about what you need to delete

[22:32:27] <dstufft> I might try to do that

[22:34:12] <qwcode> understood, yea, the sooner the better to get rid of it sounds good. probably 6 people on the planet currently using --no-install

[22:54:16] <r1chardj0n3s> nice work, dstufft, getting pip into 2.7 :)

[22:54:30] <dstufft> r1chardj0n3s: 2.7.9 aka 2.8

[22:55:38] <r1chardj0n3s> well, the next rev from 2.7.9 has to be 2.8, right? :)

[23:49:18] <carljm> r1chardj0n3s: 2.7.99999999999

[23:49:45] <Alex_Gaynor> carljm: 2.7.9̅ is what we're calling it

[23:50:04] <r1chardj0n3s> yes but the *next* one... ;)

[23:50:07] <carljm> it converges to 2.8.

[23:50:16] <r1chardj0n3s> everything converges to 2.8

[23:50:31] <Alex_Gaynor> saying the words 2.8 makes people yell at you, so you have to pretend like putting giant new features in 2.7.999 makes sense

[23:50:41] <Alex_Gaynor> "Alex Gaynor: Professional Backporter"

[23:51:21] <r1chardj0n3s> :)

[23:52:55] <carljm> Alex_Gaynor: Manipulate you a version number perception for great good.

[23:55:01] <Alex_Gaynor> carljm: I do what I can, because I must.