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[15:18:41] <pmxbot> jaraco pushed 8 commits to setuptools (https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/) :

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Add comments

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Extract function for unloading pkg_resources. Ref #345.

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Unload all pkg_resources modules and not just the main module. Fixes #345.

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Collapse common behavior

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Refactor behavior into a single try/except block with exactly one invocation of _do_download.

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Extract _conflict_bail function

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Add comment

[15:18:41] <pmxbot> Update changelog

[15:27:49] <pmxbot> jaraco pushed 3 commits to setuptools (https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/) :

[15:27:49] <pmxbot> Update changelog

[15:27:49] <pmxbot> Added tag 12.2 for changeset 5ff5c804a8fa

[15:27:49] <pmxbot> Bumped to 12.3 in preparation for next release.

[15:34:56] <pmxbot> jaraco pushed 1 commit to setuptools (https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/) :

[15:34:56] <pmxbot> Bump script used for ez_setup.py

[17:44:20] <dstufft> Now people seem upset that pip caches by default

[17:44:20] <dstufft> :|

[17:46:15] <xafer> --no-cache-dir doesnt work for them ?

[17:52:37] <dstufft> xafer: It's not that they don't want it to cache for them, it's that the caching means that download numbers will be down

[17:53:23] <xafer> lol

[19:26:32] <sigmavirus24> abadger1999: that's roughly my opinion too. People concerned with download counts make me laugh since PyPI is often but one source of numbers. requests being packaged on Fedora/RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, etc. means that the PyPI number is always a lower-limit at best

[19:29:15] <abadger1999> Yeah agreed.

[21:01:31] <r1chardj0n3s> dstufft: for serious? people are ... ugh :(

[21:26:39] <carljm> dstufft: They should be far more upset about TravisCI caching environments then...

[21:26:57] <carljm> Nothing inflates download numbers like a CI server.

[21:30:25] <dstufft> carljm: heh

[21:30:44] <dstufft> carljm: and Josh is talking to me about how we can get it so travis build wheels and caches them too

[21:31:58] <sigmavirus24> woot

[21:37:30] <dstufft> I still kinda wish we could just turn the download coutns off :|

[21:40:19] <sigmavirus24> dstufft: I wish we could turn HTTP off (leaving only HTTPS) but we can't always get what we want =P

[21:40:34] <dstufft> sigmavirus24: lol

[21:40:45] <dstufft> sigmavirus24: Eventually I am going to turn off HTTP for the APIs

[21:41:50] <sigmavirus24> dstufft: I meant, I wish we could turn it off for the entire internet =P

[21:42:11] <dstufft> sigmavirus24: yea :/

[21:42:23] <dstufft> otoh I feel more hopeful that such a world might someday exist than I ever have in the past

[21:42:45] <sigmavirus24> HTTP/2 will be the Python 3 of internet standards