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[00:23:24] <tchaypo> lifeless: my first question is - how do we reproduce?

[00:23:56] <tchaypo> and the answer seems to be - find a patch with your upper-constraints.txt and ...

[00:24:15] <tchaypo> run the commandine on the first line of your output

[00:25:20] <lifeless> tchaypo: you succeeded?

[00:25:50] <tchaypo> i succeeded in reading what you have there and figuring out how to attempt to reproduce

[00:26:46] <tchaypo> I’ll finish this other review in a second then i can start trying to repoduce this

[00:32:37] <tchaypo> lifeless: I love your boldness in commit messages

[00:32:57] <tchaypo> where I might say “I can’t think of any downsides” you just downright assert “there are no downsides"

[00:35:09] <lifeless> hmm?

[00:35:56] <dstufft> lifeless: yea, I was being lazy since I wasn't ready to cut a new release just yet (though maybe I should be!) since I I have to double check those PRs

[00:36:04] <dstufft> pull them down and double check that is

[00:36:21] <lifeless> dstufft: so tchaypo is going to figure the issue with constraints

[00:36:34] <lifeless> dstufft: but to test the new setup with trunk pip we need the marker fix in too

[00:37:09] <tchaypo> my pip doesn’t know about -c

[00:37:13] <tchaypo> has that landed upstream?

[00:37:26] <lifeless> tchaypo: yes

[00:37:39] <lifeless> oh, I should push up me devstack patch

[00:37:41] <lifeless> its incomplete

[00:37:58] <lifeless> tchaypo: review 189934

[00:38:36] <tchaypo> i have pip 7.0.3, which doesn’t seem to be new enough

[00:39:08] <lifeless> tchaypo: pull down the devstack patch

[00:39:11] <lifeless> all will become clear

[00:41:34] <tchaypo> 7.1.0

[00:41:45] <tchaypo> you have interesting definitions of “clear” :)

[00:42:53] <tchaypo> or maybe of “all” ;)

[00:44:33] <dstufft> it was probably 7.1.0.dev0

[00:44:35] <dstufft> or .dev1

[00:44:40] <dstufft> I forget if I used 0 or 1

[00:45:03] <lifeless> tchaypo: inferrable :)

[01:13:40] <tchaypo> lifeless: so, I can’t reproduce

[01:13:45] <tchaypo> for me I just get stuff installed

[01:14:13] <tchaypo> important difference though - I’m not doing it in devstack, I was running it on my mac with a hand-installed pip from tip

[01:18:04] <lifeless> tchaypo: make a vm, run devstack.

[01:18:18] <lifeless> tchaypo: the context is going to be crucial

[01:18:25] <tchaypo> yeah.

[01:18:25] <lifeless> pip is highly stateful

[01:18:41] <tchaypo> that i what I’m doing :)

[14:58:00] <jaraco> dstufft: I meant that conversation in #distutils for here, not #distutils.

[14:59:20] <jaraco> But my summary question is - has this technique been considered, tried? Should I follow up in that ticket, create a new one, or has this issue already been addresses as well as it can be?

[15:17:01] <dstufft> jaraco: I'm not aware of anyone trying that technique, it would be a good thing though, at least as long as pip still defers setup_requires to setuptools

[15:18:39] <jaraco> I’ll write it up as a separate ticket, but reference the existing ticket.

[15:28:43] <jaraco_> https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/2910

[22:27:35] <lifeless> tchaypo: Nakato: how goes it?

[23:08:20] <Nakato> lifeless: Good morning

[23:09:21] <lifeless> morning!

[23:23:54] <Nakato> lifeless: Looking to outsource anything?

[23:24:36] <tchaypo> lifeless: I have my work laptop up and running again and have a VM to run devstack on

[23:26:15] <lifeless> Nakato: why yes

[23:27:22] <lifeless> Nakato: so we have this devstack WIP patch I pushed up

[23:28:00] <lifeless> Nakato: we need something similar-ish to it to get tox runs using constraints as well

[23:31:05] <Nakato> lifeless: 189934?

[23:33:21] <lifeless> yah