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[01:03:46] <StevenK> dstufft: If you're back from dinner, https://github.com/pypa/packaging/pull/50 when you have time. I'm not happy about some of the docs prose, comment on the PR or merge it and we'll deal with it later

[01:05:50] <dstufft> StevenK: I am back, will do that once I write an email about the ABS PEP

[01:07:19] <dstufft> lifeless: Ok, I made a few small, bikesheddy comments on the ABS PEP, but I think it's generally good to go. I can't really articulate what's making me nervous as anything more than a general nervousness so I'm going to just chalk it up to the nature of what we're changing here and say we're good to go on getting a reference implementation done so we can make sure it actually works when implemented and we don't want any changes to the PEP

[01:07:20] <dstufft> from implementing it

[01:07:35] <dstufft> I'm drafting an email saying basically that to distutils-sig.

[01:16:04] <dstufft> StevenK: Ok, looking at that now

[01:16:43] <dstufft> (Sorry that my time is so all over the place, a bit of ADD coupled with being a bottleneck for a bunch of different things conspire to make me constantly trying to juggle too many things)

[01:18:11] <lifeless> dstufft: cool, thanks

[01:18:35] <lifeless> dstufft: well, if you want to scale some of that out, you just need to ask/offer

[01:18:40] <lifeless> dstufft: being a bottleneck is a choice

[01:20:26] <lifeless> dstufft: bah, that sounds judgy, I didn't mean it to be

[01:20:33] <dstufft> lifeless: yea, I have to learn to let go of things better :/

[01:20:59] <dstufft> (and also get better at asking for hlep)

[01:25:53] <lifeless> dstufft: tell me something

[01:26:08] <lifeless> dstufft: the distutils cross-version thing you did to my 8.0.1 patch

[01:26:32] <lifeless> dstufft: is there really no other way to get at purelib and platlib ?

[01:27:15] <Ivo> could let me do a patch release of virtualenv :D :D

[01:28:29] <dstufft> lifeless: this thing? https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/develop/pip/compat/__init__.py#L26-L43

[01:28:58] <dstufft> Ivo: what is your PyPI username and do you have a gpg key

[01:29:00] <lifeless> dstufft: yeah; in setuptools_shim I need to figure out where the wheel got installed

[01:29:13] <lifeless> dstufft: for the shim of 'pip install --no-binary thing'

[01:29:40] <dstufft> lifeless: Ok, you want a different thing then, because there are config files that we need to inspect too

[01:29:42] <lifeless> dstufft: we build a wheel in the shim, pip install the wheel, then retroactively convert it to an .egg-info + record file

[01:30:11] <lifeless> dstufft: and AIUI the .dist-info directory could end up in either platlib or purelib

[01:30:20] <dstufft> lifeless: https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/develop/pip/locations.py#L124-L182

[01:30:57] <lifeless> urgle

[01:31:04] <lifeless> I guess I'm importing pip in the shim then

[01:31:14] <lifeless> or copying that across

[01:31:22] <dstufft> lifeless: see: Rube goldberg machine of sadness

[01:31:31] <lifeless> dstufft: Life Choices

[01:31:37] <dstufft> so many life choices

[01:31:57] <dstufft> it'd probably be better to copy it, just because we make no promises in pip of API compat

[01:35:08] <lifeless> dstufft: can parse_config_files do per-distribution things?

[01:35:25] <lifeless> dstufft: e.g. do I really need to know dist_name, other than for headers, which I don't care about ?

[01:35:28] <dstufft> I'm not sure I know the answer to that

[01:35:40] <lifeless> k

[01:36:04] <dstufft> Why don't we care about headers though

[01:36:08] <dstufft> I think packages can install haders

[01:36:10] <dstufft> headers

[01:36:31] <lifeless> because I'm reading back what pip did

[01:36:42] <lifeless> and transforming the RECORD to a install-recod.txt

[01:36:50] <dstufft> oh

[01:36:51] <dstufft> okay

[01:37:15] <lifeless> my intent with the shim is to find out the holes in the spec

[01:37:28] <lifeless> and let folk with needs send patches to make it cover everything

[01:37:50] <lifeless> one of the bits we handwaved a little w.r.t. a shim is install of non-wheels

[01:37:59] <lifeless> 'build a wheel and let pip install it'

[01:38:20] <lifeless> is actually 'build a wheel, pip install that, move .dist-info to .egg-info, and generate an install-record that pip asked for

[01:39:23] <lifeless> pip helpfully edits RECORD comprehensively for me

[01:41:26] <lifeless> for instance, I haven't put in arg parsing for all of --home, --user etc yet

[01:41:41] <lifeless> thats fairly shallow - see what pip does, pass it down, figure out how to emulate

[01:49:19] <lifeless> lol, the wheel regex in pip is a little overcomplicated

[01:49:22] <lifeless> .+?

[01:49:32] <lifeless> isn't that equivalent to

[01:49:33] <lifeless> .*

[02:59:49] <lifeless> \o/ pip install working. yay.

[03:27:07] <lifeless> dstufft: and the shim is baseline complete - --user, --home etc missing.

[03:29:32] <StevenK> dstufft: I can sort out extras as a set(), did you want to ponder the split more (I'm not convinced as yet), or what is your plan?

[09:28:02] <Ivo> dstufft, pypi - Ivoz, gpg - https://keybase.io/ivo

[23:51:52] <lifeless> Nakato: StevenK: any reviews needed?