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[14:49:33] <xrmx> hello, is it normal that pip install tries setup.py bdist_wheel even if wheel is not installed? http://pastebin.com/Y0FmTZpv

[15:37:51] <sigmavirus> xrmx: looks like it checks to see if `wheel` is installed: https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/b15c7f6b6a0ed13e524f1c48bd1693970302eba1/pip/commands/install.py#L294 and it shouldn't try to build the wheel if it's not installed

[15:38:08] <sigmavirus> xrmx: what version of pip do you have installed and how did you install it?

[15:42:13] <xrmx> sigmavirus, http://pastebin.com/Y0FmTZpv

[15:43:12] <sigmavirus> xrmx: what's the output of `python -m 'import wheel; print(wheel)'`?

[15:44:18] <xrmx> sigmavirus, /home/rm/src/foovenv35/bin/python: No module named import wheel; print(wheel)

[15:44:50] <sigmavirus> xrmx: hm, well that shouldn't be happening as best as I can tell

[15:45:07] <sigmavirus> that check is there in 8.1.2: https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/8.1.2/pip/commands/install.py#L294

[15:45:25] <sigmavirus> xrmx: how did you install python 3.5?

[15:46:10] <xrmx> sigmavirus, it's the debian one

[15:46:24] <sigmavirus> dstufft: ^ isn't that one where they break the venv module in the stdlib?

[15:47:23] <dstufft> sigmavirus: um, not a released version of Debian, but in Ubuntu 14.04 yea

[15:47:32] <sigmavirus> ah,

[15:48:14] <dstufft> xrmx: what does pip list print?

[15:48:50] <xrmx> dstufft, http://paste.ubuntu.com/22921131/

[15:54:41] <xrmx> dstufft, sigmavirus pip has this patches applied https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/python-modules/packages/python-pip.git/tree/debian/patches

[15:54:48] <xrmx> debian's pip

[15:59:50] <dstufft> xrmx: sorry, I gotta go down to a doctor's appointment for my daughter- You might try popping a pdb in the pip source code there and seeing why it thinks wheel is importable

[16:00:34] <xrmx> dstufft, will give it a try, thanks for the help

[16:02:48] <xrmx> sigmavirus, thanks too

[16:11:13] <xrmx> dstufft, apparently wheel is there <module 'wheel' from '/home/rm/src/foovenv35/share/python-wheels/wheel-0.29.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl/wheel/__init__.py'>

[18:04:33] <sigmavirus> o_O

[22:30:45] <stefanv> Hi everyone; I'd like to pull some PyPa statistics from the Google BigTable, but I cannot find instructions on how to do that. Can you give me any hints?