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[02:07:31] <cooperlees> bizhang / asmacdo : Any need for api.cheerstrump.com for now? I might kill it and we can try get a test instance @ PyPI HQ

[02:11:04] <asmacdo> cooperlees: yeah kill it. We might set up our own for benchmarking, or just merge it if we can get the subdomain worked out.

[02:11:14] <cooperlees> (Y)

[05:05:15] <techalchemy> hm, figured that all out, i'm just a dumbass

[05:05:33] <techalchemy> missed an import rewrite

[06:23:22] <thea> \o/ new tutorial, yay.

[09:59:40] <cooperlees> gg thea :)

[10:09:41] <cooperlees> You're up early EWDurbin

[10:12:31] <EWDurbin> cooperlees: Kaitlin runs the half marathon in 40 minutes!

[10:12:43] <EWDurbin> fly safe cooperlees!

[10:12:44] <cooperlees> O nice :) Go girl!

[10:12:50] <cooperlees> EWDurbin: cheers mate

[10:12:59] <cooperlees> Great meeting you and great PyCon :)

[15:20:03] <sumanah> hi thea, hope you are doing well

[15:20:11] <thea> o/ hey sumanah!

[15:22:06] <sumanah> thea: I am disoriented at how different and better https://packaging.python.org/tutorials/packaging-projects/ is!!

[15:22:21] <thea> ^.^

[15:22:23] <sumanah> may I PM thea?

[15:22:30] <thea> absolutely, any time

[15:56:11] <sumanah> I need to look at the commit history for distutils and figure out how hard it is to improve it + its docs

[15:56:24] <sumanah> at least surrounding `register`

[15:56:40] <sumanah> https://bugs.python.org/issue33071

[17:00:31] <sumanah> !logs

[17:00:31] <pmxbot> http://kafka.dcpython.org/channel/pypa-dev

[17:01:05] <sumanah> *wave* and glad to see as many of you as I did during PyCon!

[17:30:27] <mjlee> Happy Sunday all! Is there a pypa infra channel? I'd like to contribute to Warehouse and my strengths are more infra than dev...

[17:31:56] <mjlee> Guessing dstufft or EWDurbin are the right people to ask?

[17:33:13] <sumanah> Hi mjlee! #python-infra might be right, but here is all right too!

[17:33:21] <sumanah> Welcome!

[17:33:32] <EWDurbin> Hey mjlee! Hop in #python-infra! I’m afk today and for most of the week for a post-pycon vacation, but that’s the primary place for where next steps would be.

[17:33:38] <mjlee> Ah, that looks like the right place! Thanks all.

[17:34:12] <sumanah> also mjlee have you looked at https://www.python.org/psf/committees/#infrastructure-work-group and https://wiki.python.org/psf/InfrastructureWG ?

[17:34:31] <mjlee> I haven't, thanks for the pointers

[17:36:34] <mjlee> Not too familiar with the structure of PSF - I'm here after catching up on a backlog of podcasts and hearing EWDurbin talk python to me :)

[17:42:46] <dstufft> mjlee: structure is basically a lot of volunteers doing stuff :) the working group for infra basically owns the infrastructure stuff

[17:42:49] <sumanah> mjlee: I am SO GLAD I reached out to Talk Python To Me and asked them to interview Ernest, Nicole, and Dustin. SO MANY PEOPLE told me they heard the story of Warehouse through that ep

[17:43:24] <sumanah> mjlee: there's a board of directors (volunteer), a few staff (paid), and several working groups (including volunteers like me, board members, and staff)

[17:43:38] <sumanah> I'm in the Packaging and Infrastructure WGs

[17:43:55] <mjlee> I'll sub to the ml

[17:43:59] <dstufft> It's a little confusing, because a lot of the active members of the infra group are also Warehouse committers

[17:44:03] <sumanah> Indeed

[17:44:13] <dstufft> and PyPI is one of our biggest things we actually manage on the infra side of things.

[17:44:56] <sumanah> mjlee: at the moment, one of the tightly coupled things that we want to work to uncouple is: in order to do useful PyPI user support work (sorting out package limit size increases, for example), you have to have PyPI admin access, which gives you a ton of power

[17:45:38] <sumanah> mjlee: AND, if we give someone Warehouse committer access, that makes it so they have perhaps more power over PyPI content than we necessarily want -- some people are far more interested in coding/reviewing for Warehouse than in doing PyPI admin

[17:46:11] <sumanah> so uncoupling those would be nice, and I hope/think there are github.com/pypa/warehouse issues open for those things, but am trying to work on a different client project right now

[17:46:16] <sumanah> and am resisting the urge to check

[17:51:29] <sumanah> mjlee: hope this helps!

[18:31:46] <mjlee> sumanah: it does, thank you

[18:31:50] <sumanah> great!