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[15:00:29] <sumanah> listening to Belle & Sebastian's album "How To Solve Our Human Problems" while following up on PyPA correspondence

[16:13:11] <sumanah> pradyunsg: if you have a moment I'd love to ask you a few questions

[17:00:29] <pradyunsg> sumanah: o/

[17:00:42] <sumanah> cool thanks pradyunsg!

[17:02:08] <sumanah> pradyunsg: there is obsolete info on the wiki at https://wiki.python.org/moin/PipAndDistutils2 and https://wiki.python.org/moin/DistributionUtilities and I am like .... ok I need a little guidance so I have some questions

[17:03:47] <sumanah> the 1st of those 2 was last updated 7 years ago

[17:03:59] <sumanah> which is way before I started learning about the intricacies of Python packaging

[17:04:13] <pradyunsg> sumanah: oooo, we're updating old wiki pages!

[17:04:59] <sumanah> pradyunsg: this feels like it is under my remit in terms of PyPA communications/coordination .... I already made a big edit to https://wiki.python.org/moin/CheeseShopTutorial

[17:22:27] <sumanah_> I think what I should actually do is write to the creator of that pip2 repo and to the wiki editor and ask them to update it

[17:28:48] <pradyunsg> sumanah: as it turns out, https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/history/ has a fairly detailed history of python packaging.

[17:28:57] <sumanah> ha

[17:29:01] <sumanah> yeah

[17:29:16] <sumanah> which I do need to help update

[17:30:00] <sumanah> I would need to dig more to understand how pip2 ties into it

[17:30:27] <pradyunsg> pip2 was an effort to utilize distutils2.

[17:30:56] <pradyunsg> sumanah: BTW, you might have found these yourself, but https://blog.startifact.com/posts/older/a-history-of-python-packaging.html contains useful background and the Distutils2 PyPI page has another bit of related information -- https://pypi.org/project/Distutils2/

[17:31:05] <sumanah> thanks!

[17:31:57] <sumanah> I'll look at that, https://github.com/osupython/pip2 , http://pip2.readthedocs.org/

[17:32:02] <pradyunsg> distutils2 got abandoned in 2012, so did pip2.

[17:32:28] <sumanah> I think probably several of those pages/repositories/etc. need clear "no longer maintained, go here instead" signage

[17:32:38] <sumanah> so I'll make various issues/send emails/etc today

[17:34:41] <sumanah> thanks pradyunsg

[17:48:57] <pradyunsg> sumanah: LOOK WHAT I FOUND: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhwwwV8qlKA

[17:49:13] <sumanah> neat!

[18:06:58] <sumanah> Thanks for your help pradyunsg

[18:07:10] <pradyunsg> Happy to help! :)