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[12:36:57] <ronny> pradyunsg: i uploaded https://github.com/pypa/setuptools_scm/pull/345 - waiting for it to fail there now

[12:37:10] <ronny> hopw i dont fin a different thing that fails yet again

[13:21:24] <ronny> hmm, meh, classical misstake, i invoked the wrong pip after all, waiting for feedback with that fixed

[18:43:43] <pradyunsg> pip debug - coming soon to a pip near you. 🌈

[18:43:55] <pradyunsg> ronny: ^

[19:33:24] <ronny> pradyunsg: more info plz

[19:46:07] <toad_polo> Oh boy dat thread.

[19:47:00] <dstufft> Yea.

[19:47:55] <toad_polo> I muted it yesterday or the day before and like 20 minutes later someone texted it to me.

[19:48:23] <toad_polo> "You might be interested in this." "Most assuredly not."

[19:49:48] <dstufft> I am torn on muting it, I really want to for my own mental health, but also I feel compelled to participate because I've always felt like one of my useful roles is to act as a heat shield for everyone else, so if folks are mad at me and leaving others alone, I feel like that's a win.

[19:50:06] <toad_polo> dstufft: Thank you, by the way.

[19:50:47] <dstufft> I mean, ideally nobody is mad at anyone

[19:50:56] <dstufft> but if people are going to be mad, let them be mad at me

[19:51:32] <toad_polo> Yeah, I wouldn't worry. I think we have a pretty good relationship with conda still, and that's probably what's important.

[19:52:48] <dstufft> My experience is it's rarely the folks who are actually working on a particular tool, but most often it's folks who use a tool who feel strongest about trying to make their choice "win"

[19:53:09] <toad_polo> Feel free to tag me in if it gets to you too much.

[19:53:50] <ronny> what treat?

[19:55:19] <dstufft> https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues/25 // https://discuss.python.org/t/remove-the-authority-from-packaging/1993/ -- but it's not worth dogpiling or anything. If you want to constructively contribute that'd be cool though

[19:55:33] <toad_polo> ronnypfannschmidt: Best not to seek it out. It's on packaging-problems if you must.

[20:04:24] <ronny> looks like a full blown yikes

[20:05:31] <ronny> pradyunsg: within a pip build env, is there any way for the software under build to get access to the pip build metadata (that gets generated as part of the wheel building process)

[20:06:02] <ronny> pradyunsg: context is that under deltachat they have a issue where pip wheel does a setup where setuptools_scm has no way to figure the version anymore

[20:09:26] <dstufft> the build_wheel hook has an optional parameter to pass in the current metadata directory

[20:09:39] <dstufft> I dunno if pip passes it in, but it should if one exists

[20:16:38] <ronny> dstufft: this is in setuptools in setup.py - i suppose i should take a look at maiking a own hook to work with the setuptools one