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[11:32:59] <agronholm> jaraco: can you confirm that there is no way for setuptools plugins to add their own sections to setup.cfg?

[11:33:20] <agronholm> if so, would you accept a PR to fix that? or should we focus on pyproject.toml instead?

[14:07:56] <ngoldbaum> if only the existence of pyproject.toml didn't trigger pep518/519 compat mode in pip :/

[14:10:07] <mgedmin> if only random tools didn't insist on using pyproject.toml as the sole source of configuration

[14:10:15] <agronholm> elaborate please

[14:11:32] <ngoldbaum> for me this came from black using pyproject.toml for configuration which at some point caused my build to stop working

[14:11:46] <ngoldbaum> let me see if i can find the issue in one of the pypa repos...

[14:13:30] <ngoldbaum> the existence of pyproject.toml turns on build isolation, which removes the root of the project from sys.path (among other things)

[14:13:35] <ngoldbaum> lots of tools relied on that

[14:13:47] <ngoldbaum> (perhaps those tools were broken, still, they worked for a long time)

[14:14:00] <agronholm> that does sound like bad design

[14:14:47] <ngoldbaum> https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/5402

[17:50:15] <toad_polo> agronholm: PR would be welcome there.

[17:50:19] <toad_polo> ngoldbaum: That was fixed within like a week.

[17:51:04] <toad_polo> `pyproject.toml`'s existence triggers PEP 517/518 deliberately because that's opting people in to the "beta" of PEP 517.

[17:51:30] <toad_polo> But it now defaults to using a legacy mode in `setuptools` that is intended to have better backwards compat.

[17:53:10] <ngoldbaum> that's good, i didn't realize that was fixed

[17:53:15] <ngoldbaum> i worked around it and moved on

[17:53:22] <toad_polo> agronholm: Here's the relevant issue: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/1055

[18:43:08] <cooperlees> O, I thought setup.cfg via sections was extendable ... It's not?

[18:50:15] <toad_polo> You can put other stuff in there and parse it.

[18:50:53] <toad_polo> But `distutils` has some way to register keywords for your `setup()` call, and there's no equivalent mechanism in `setup.cfg`.

[18:59:54] <agronholm> toad_polo: thanks