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[17:14:50] <ronny> pradyunsg ping?

[17:15:06] <pradyunsg> ronny: pong!

[17:15:19] <ronny> pradyunsg ping?

[17:15:20] <ronny> pradyunsg ping?

[17:15:38] <pradyunsg> pong pong

[17:15:51] <ronny> matrix is trippy - my msg just trippled

[17:17:14] <ronny> so i guess something is wrong there

[17:17:51] <pradyunsg> ronny: no worries. :)

[17:23:51] <pradyunsg> ronny: just responded to your tweet. Happy to chat over twitter, twitter chat or here. :)

[17:29:48] <ronny> hmm, well, a simple hack to have fun editable wheels, would be to return a wheel that hasa very specific local tag + hack files in place that set up the rest ^^

[17:30:26] <ronny> im semi-here atm since the toddler is currently in a funky mode of "doesnt want to sleep but needs to"

[17:32:54] <ronny> pradyunsg: so bascially gumby elf is still having the same impediment as 4-5 years ago in that direction

[17:33:27] <pradyunsg> ronny: not sure what the state was 4-5 years ago. :)

[17:33:36] <pradyunsg> I wasn't around then.

[17:34:11] <ronny> there was no ane way to do editable installs, and no sane way to integrate own editable installs with pip without major hackery

[17:36:17] <pradyunsg> ronny: yea, basically that's still not done.

[17:42:17] <ronny> pradyunsg: well, now that im thinking abou it, actually a general ux should be doable in a sense

[17:42:30] <ronny> (wrapping around pip, gumby elf and virtuaenv

[17:53:13] <ronny> pradyunsg: btw, ever thought about the idea of having pip no longer be part of the environments it installs things in (i have quite a number of virtualenvs, and they differ in pip version sal lthe time)

[17:53:27] <pradyunsg> ronny: YES.

[17:54:29] <pradyunsg> https://discuss.python.org/t/packaging-and-python-2/662/26?u=pradyunsg

[17:54:41] <pradyunsg> https://discuss.python.org/t/packaging-and-python-2/662/28?u=pradyunsg

[17:54:48] <ronny> pradyunsg: another topic i would like to see is a standard for putting unpacked wheels into a shared user/system folder, and doing lightweight cacheable installs (so a virtualenv with hundrtets pf packages is only a few dozen of kb instead of hundrets of mb)

[17:57:10] <ronny> (plus having something like this would make first class support of python in somehting like nix much more easy (as it thrives on linking things up in a inexpensive manner)

[18:00:59] <ronny> unfortunately my distutils-sig topic on that went a bit nowhere

[18:05:06] <ronny> pradyunsg: would it help to restart that discussion on the python discuss?

[18:05:22] <pradyunsg> ronny: which one?

[18:06:16] <pradyunsg> editable installs or "shared" installs?

[18:06:17] <ronny> the one about having shared locations for unpacked wheels that will then be used by multiple virtualenvs

[18:06:39] <pradyunsg> ah, yea, a dedicated discuss.python.org/c/packaging topic would be best right now IMO.

[18:08:48] <ronny> as for editable installs, who is currently working those out?

[18:13:31] <ronny> wow, the mail to distutils sig was 2 years ago already

[18:22:24] <ronny> pradyunsg: i started https://discuss.python.org/t/proposal-sharing-distrbution-installations-in-general/2524

[18:22:32] <pradyunsg> dstufft, EWDurbin (and others too): Does anyone have any major concerns with sunsetting distutils-sig? At this point, we're practically not using it AFAICT.

[18:23:34] <tos9> I'm not sure I count since I don't really actively participate, but the nice thing about distutils-sig is it arrives in my inbox so I glance at it from time to time

[18:23:42] <tos9> does the discuss support email digests

[18:25:47] <pradyunsg> tos9 -- yep. https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-activity-summary-emails-guide/36627

[18:25:51] <EWDurbin> pradyunsg: no opinion here.

[18:27:13] <tos9> pradyunsg: thanks