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[05:19:32] <pradyunsg> Need to fix the packaging CI reporting stuff.

[09:25:17] <pradyunsg> Done: https://github.com/pypa/packaging/pull/245

[09:25:39] <pradyunsg> expect future forks of packaging to not spam this channel.

[09:30:17] <tos9> I think I've asked this question before (in a different way), but... is `virtualenv --no-setuptools venv; venv/bin/python -m pip install pep517; venv/bin/python -m pep517.build some/package/with/a/pyproject.toml` supposed to work?

[09:32:00] <tos9> I thought that was part of the point of pep517, that if the build requirements are specified, it knew how to at least get those

[10:13:00] <apollo13> tos9: just thinking out loud and not knowing what pep517.build does, I think that getting those would still be part of pip

[10:13:34] <apollo13> although according to pypi "Higher-level functions which install the build dependencies into a temporary environment and build a wheel/sdist using them."

[10:14:24] <apollo13> not sure if that covers the build module though

[12:55:14] <pradyunsg> tos9: yes, for the most part. The thing is, pep57 isn’t supposed to be user facing.

[12:55:28] <pradyunsg> This is literally https://discuss.python.org/t/2062, so that.

[12:56:39] <pradyunsg> The UX work that the discussion is blocked on recently got funded, so yay!

[13:37:52] <tos9> pradyunsg: Oh. Nice (that it got funded -- I think last I heard toad_polo disagreed but I'm sure not if those things get built)

[13:37:57] <tos9> pradyunsg: But was that "yes for the most part" that it should work?

[13:38:50] <tos9> Because I'm getting strange errors (though maybe ones suitable for #pypa) -- tracebacks that just end with BackendUnavailable

[13:40:51] <pradyunsg> Yea, well. It'd probably be useful to file an issue in pep517's repo listing them.

[13:43:00] <tos9> Putting together a reproducer

[13:47:13] <toad_polo> It doesn't really matter if pep517 wasn't supposed to be user facing.

[13:47:49] <toad_polo> I'm happy to create a new tool that *is* supposed to be user-facing that does exactly what pep517.build does.

[13:49:19] <tos9> hmmmm my issue only happens when running pep517.build on pypy :/ bleh

[13:58:27] <tos9> OK filed https://github.com/pypa/pep517/issues/74

[16:52:25] <sangy> tos9: I read reproducer and thought you meant reprobuilds-related :[ Hopefully one day!

[17:56:09] <sumanah> hi LyndsySimon! good to see you. Will I see you at PyCon?

[23:38:32] <sigmavirus24> j/whois sangy

[23:39:01] <sigmavirus24> sangy I'm with you. Would that more languages and their tooling had reproducible builds

[23:39:35] <sigmavirus24> Also thought your name looked familiar and was trying to figure out if I did know you :)