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[23:35:04] <techalchemy> toad_polo, is there ever any reason for people to be using distutils directly for building extensions that you're aware of now? Thinking specifically of pyyaml for example

[23:35:18] <toad_polo> techalchemy: Never use distutils for any reason.

[23:35:50] <techalchemy> my AST parser tripped over pyyaml so I grabbed the sdist in question (https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/3d/d9/ea9816aea31beeadccd03f1f8b625ecf8f645bd66744484d162d84803ce5/PyYAML-5.3.tar.gz) and figured I'd take a look at setup.py first

[23:35:58] <techalchemy> ^^

[23:36:03] <techalchemy> have fun with that one

[23:36:55] <techalchemy> ah they do seem to use setuptools by manually overwriting the distutils modules in the sys.modules dict :|

[23:37:25] <toad_polo> Yeah this is an absurd an unnecessary attempt at excessive compatibility or something.

[23:37:30] <techalchemy> but only if setuptools is already imported? i'm so confused

[23:37:35] <toad_polo> This would be fixed by just adding a pyproject.toml and declaring a dependency on setuptools.

[23:37:58] <techalchemy> it would still break in the distro build pipeline i'm pretty sure

[23:39:33] <techalchemy> meh i'm not even going to try to fix this, this is the one that compiles totally different code paths depending on your python version

[23:39:41] <techalchemy> yeah: package_dir={'': {2: 'lib', 3: 'lib3'}[sys.version_info[0]]}

[23:39:49] <techalchemy> that's a yikes from me