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[14:28:05] <tos9> toad_polo: I'm vaguely recalling seeing this mentioned somewhere (or even decided?), and maybe it's not quite important enough or large enough to be discussed at the summit, but maybe an interesting thing at some point is to discuss what the non-package-install related setuptools things look like post-PEP517

[14:28:10] <tos9> editable installs I know is still top of mind

[14:28:22] <tos9> but e.g. ISTM there should be a post-PEP517 way to do `python setup.py --version` that works cross-backend

[14:41:48] <toad_polo> tos9: Deadline is technically past, but we probably won't actually close the form until we get the voting system put together, so if you submit it now it'll probably be included in the voting.

[14:42:32] <toad_polo> I know you'll miss the summit, so we can make sure someone does the intro.

[14:52:59] <tos9> cool

[14:58:01] <tos9> Done.

[15:00:16] <tos9> In unrelated news which hopefully isn't provocative, what's this steve dower / peter wang thread about

[15:00:39] <tos9> Or should I just ignore it, it seems certainly to have lots of back and forth so I'm curious what they're going around about

[15:15:51] <toad_polo> tos9: I don't think it's anything particularly controversial.

[15:16:15] <toad_polo> Just a long back-and-forth about the state of affairs.

[15:16:38] <tos9> K

[15:17:34] <toad_polo> Branching in multiple ways. I seem to remember I was supposed to have a meeting with them as a result of one of the early branches, but I can no longer remember the topic 😛

[15:18:03] <toad_polo> Some interesting insights in there, though.

[15:19:19] <toad_polo> I think a lot of it boils down to "packaging is a broad envelope and it means many things to many people, a lot of people suffer from a failure to delineate use cases."

[15:20:40] <toad_polo> This is something I've observed a lot in many different things. I've been saying it about datetime handling for ages - it's why super opinionated tools can feel like they are "X done right" if you only have one use case for X and the opinionated tool is designed for your use case.

[15:59:15] <pradyunsg> Oh man, I’d caught up with my GitHub notifications in mid-Feb. Now, it’s back up to 400+ notifications; thanks to 2 weeks of travel. :(

[17:51:14] <dstufft> tos9: it's mostly the same thread that's happened like 5 times so far

[22:13:34] <travis-ci> pypa/twine#1323 (master - fb03835 : Brian Rutledge): The build passed.

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