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[11:32:33] <ssurbhi> Hey pradyunsg! I have updated the PR - https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/7869 as per your suggestions so could you please review it. :)

[13:25:47] <sumanah> techalchemy: I think https://github.com/pypa/pipenv/pull/4167 looks good - to finish up replacing the obsolete, nonworking pipenv documentation URL with pipenv.pypa.io

[13:42:18] <sumanah> hi pradyunsg and hope you are doing well

[13:42:29] <pradyunsg> sumanah: o/

[13:42:51] <pradyunsg> I am doing well, thanks. How about you?

[13:44:21] <sumanah> I'm all right, thanks pradyunsg. I got to share a funny thing with my mom this morning and so I'm glad about that

[13:44:57] <sumanah> pradyunsg: what do you know about the Jewish celebration of Passover? the seder?

[13:45:07] <sumanah> like, have you ever attended one or read about it?

[13:45:34] <pradyunsg> sumanah: nope; and I know very little about it.

[13:46:03] <sumanah> basically it's a ritual dinner with a lot of symbolic elements you're supposed to have, like an egg on a plate to symbolize renewal, bitter herbs to eat to remember the past oppression, etc.

[13:46:50] <sumanah> pradyunsg: and so some people this year of course can't get together with family for it, and are making do with small celebrations in their crowded little apartments and so on

[13:47:28] <sumanah> https://twitter.com/JustSayXtian/status/1247014171364839425 is a thread where a Jewish guy says: "Tell me a thing in your dining room/living room/ bedroom/ wherever you might hold a Seder and I'll tell you what it's symbolic significance for Passover is." and is being super loving and creative

[13:48:22] <sumanah> and I told my mom about it and she understood and enjoyed it.

[13:48:41] <sumanah> I may get to attend a friend's Seder via videocall later this week

[13:49:31] <pradyunsg> Interesting!

[13:49:47] <sumanah> the ritual text for a Passover seder is a Haggadah and there are MANY MANY MANY versions available

[13:50:16] <sumanah> in 1932, the coffee company Maxwell House issued one, for free, as a marketing promotion, that has become something of a standard! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_House_Haggadah

[13:53:29] <sumanah> and finally, here is a blog entry Leonard wrote after attending his first Passover seder https://www.crummy.com/2010/04/01/0 comparing it to kind of like Thanksgiving (which may not mean as much to you pradyunsg since I don't know whether you have ever celebrated Thanksgiving)

[13:54:01] <sumanah> anyway, wishing a good Pesach to any Jews in the channel.

[13:54:12] <pradyunsg> I have not, no.

[13:54:24] <pradyunsg> sumanah: thanks for sharing, that's an interesting read.

[13:54:25] <devesh> I have, it's a fun festival

[13:54:32] <devesh> Never ate a turkey before thanksgiving

[13:54:46] <sumanah> devesh: oh was this in the USA or elsewhere?

[13:54:59] <devesh> Yes, I was in the states for around 4 years

[13:55:08] <devesh> 2 years in college, 2 years work, then I came back

[13:55:19] <sumanah> devesh: oh really! where? I have lived in several places in the US and gone to a few universities

[13:55:33] <devesh> Purdue in Indiana

[13:55:36] <devesh> And then Bay Area

[13:55:55] <sumanah> I lived in Berkeley and San Francisco for a while in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I miss a few things

[13:56:00] <pradyunsg> sumanah: I am however a little behind on my preparation for the webinar though -- I procrastinated bit more than I should've. I'll read Leonard's blog entry after dinner (which would be after the webinar).

[13:56:22] <sumanah> oh no prob pradyunsg - no obligation at all. Need any help, a practice audience, etc. for the webinar?

[13:56:33] <devesh> sumanah: Yeah me too, San Fran is a different beast

[13:56:33] <sumanah> Looking at https://www.meetup.com/HydPyGroup/events/269498071/ now

[13:57:08] <devesh> Wow, a pip internals link, by our very own

[13:57:16] <devesh> Can anyone join?

[13:58:31] <devesh> *pip internals talk

[14:00:00] <pradyunsg> sumanah: thank you for offering. I think I just need to finish writing up a few slides and I'll be good.

[14:00:40] <pradyunsg> devesh: yea, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be open to attend. We discussed recording and publishing this as well, so it'll likely be on YouTube too.

[14:01:23] <sumanah> Was just waiting to hear that; sent a note to the mailing lists about it. :-)

[14:01:31] <sumanah> best wishes pradyunsg. I'll leave you to it

[14:01:45] <pradyunsg> thanks sumanah! :)

[14:01:45] <sumanah> go ahead and mark yourself as away in IRC to help remind me :-)

[14:01:58] <devesh> best of luck pradyunsg, I will attend it live

[14:02:03] <sumanah> (to leave you alone for the next few hours)

[14:02:15] <devesh> It's today right from 9 PM IST

[14:03:07] <devesh> Don't have anything better to do anyways

[14:12:12] <travis-ci> pypa/pip#15549 (master - 451f5d9 : Paul Moore): The build passed.

[14:12:12] <travis-ci> Change view : https://github.com/pypa/pip/compare/2b3d0a5cc022...451f5d9f37a1

[14:12:12] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/pypa/pip/builds/672095272

[15:33:55] <pradyunsg> It's started! Anyone who wants to join, there's about 10/100 slots left at https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/7043582944110993166.

[15:43:00] <tos9> cool

[15:43:28] <techalchemy> thanks sumanah

[15:44:08] <sumanah> techalchemy: sure! re: the documentation PR?

[15:44:17] <techalchemy> yeah

[15:46:32] <sumanah> techalchemy: I see there's a checkbox in the release issue: "Mark a particular pep517 backend test as skipped and file a bug about it" -- this is the one that you had to skip starting last week? I think? testing on Windows against PEP 517 backends and involving virtualenvs

[15:47:47] <techalchemy> ah yeah i didnt file any issues about it yet

[15:47:55] <techalchemy> im not convinced it requires one

[15:51:58] <sumanah> techalchemy: I figure if you had to start skipping the test because Azure was cranky, it seems like a good idea to add an issue to the backlog to un-skip that in the future

[16:34:28] <pradyunsg> Okay, that went better than expected!

[16:34:39] <devesh> yay, great job man!

[16:35:03] <devesh> you packed a lot more in it then I expected

[16:35:21] <pradyunsg> devesh: hehe, thanks!

[16:36:55] <gutsytechster_> That was a great talk pradyunsg :)

[16:37:51] <pradyunsg> gutsytechster: thanks! :)

[16:38:14] <gutsytechster> Although I missed initial part of it due to internet connectivity problem. But I'll definitely have a go on the recorded one.

[16:41:13] <PSFSlack> <di> Nice job pradyunsg!

[16:43:02] <pradyunsg> Thanks @di! ^.^

[16:44:12] <devesh> Hi @di Sorry for the interruption, but may I know how can I join the slack channel?

[16:49:10] <PSFSlack> <di> devesh: Sorry, it's not an open invite AFAIK, mostly just limited to the PSF staff, directors and members of the various working groups

[16:51:56] <devesh> I think I am part of it as well, for the channel psf-jobs @di

[16:52:29] <devesh> The PSF Job Board Work Group channel

[16:53:42] <devesh> I am not sure if this the same slack account

[16:54:08] <PSFSlack> <di> devesh: Ah yes, looks like you're a single-channel guest.

[16:54:33] <PSFSlack> <di> devesh: Oh, are you asking to join the IRC bridge for this channel?

[16:54:38] <devesh> Yes, I volunteer for psf, and maintain their job board

[16:55:09] <devesh> Yes, is there a channel to serve as an irc bridge as well as a separate channel?

[16:55:18] <devesh> I want to join the irc bridge

[16:55:41] <devesh> *a separate channel for pypa

[17:00:38] <devesh> Let me know what details do I need to provide you @di for joining the irc bridge

[20:07:04] <devesh> I had a question, If I find a issue which I can fix with a PR

[20:07:21] <devesh> Is it prudent to first describe your approach on that ticket, and then raise a PR

[20:07:51] <devesh> Or should I raise a PR and link it there first, and then let the discussions drive themselves on the PR implementations

[20:13:01] <devesh> I guess there are pros and cons to both approaches

[20:22:55] <PSFSlack> <deveshkusingh> IRC bridge test message! (Please ignore)

[20:23:52] <pradyunsg> Oh no, I'll have to type more letters to mention you now.

[20:24:26] <PSFSlack> <deveshkusingh> Isn't there an autocomplete in irc?

[20:25:00] <sumanah> The way it comes across to us is: "<PSFSlack> <deveshkusingh> Isn't there an autocomplete in irc?"

[20:25:01] <pradyunsg> Not for nicks in Slack. 🙃

[20:25:18] <sumanah> The autocomplete that is available to us is "PSFSlack"

[20:25:36] <pradyunsg> ^ what she said.

[20:25:37] <sumanah> pradyunsg: I hope your webinar went well

[20:25:54] <pradyunsg> sumanah: yes! It did. Thank you!

[20:25:59] <sumanah> Great!

[20:26:27] <devesh> That was just to try it out :)

[20:26:38] <sumanah> pradyunsg: did you learn anything new (to share with us) in the preparation, or during Q&A?

[20:26:58] <devesh> I am using Limechat as the irc client, don't like it too much, what are some other irc clients which are goood?

[20:27:10] <pradyunsg> sumanah: not really, no.

[20:27:12] <sumanah> I'm using HexChat and I like it

[20:27:38] <sumanah> pradyunsg: ok - no worries

[20:27:44] <devesh> \me downlloading hexchat

[20:28:53] <pradyunsg> sumanah: we had a whole bunch of folks around, and there were lots of names I could recognize, so that was nice.

[20:29:00] <sumanah> :-)

[20:29:00] <devesh> Hi sumanah: You might know about this, what's the story behind the word pip

[20:29:14] <sumanah> devesh: I can't remember right now, actually. dstufft pradyunsg do you know?

[20:29:37] <pradyunsg> sumanah: I don't know, no.

[20:29:47] <sumanah> devesh: dstufft has been working on pip for 10+ years, and Pradyun for about 4 years I think. I started working on these things in 2017

[20:30:17] <sumanah> devesh: if you look it up and find out, please go ahead and file a PR to add that to the documentation

[20:30:49] <pradyunsg> Wikipedia says pip stands for "pip installs packages", but I don't know + haven't checked the sources, so that's be a good place to start.

[20:31:02] <devesh> I already have 6 outstanding PR's sumanah, don't want to burden the maintainers anymore :)

[20:31:21] <PSFSlack> <di> "Pip Installs Packages"!

[20:31:24] <PSFSlack> <di> http://www.ianbicking.org/blog/2008/10/28/pyinstall-is-dead-long-live-pip/index.html

[20:31:29] <sumanah> Thanks Dustin

[20:32:10] <sumanah> devesh: I understand what you're saying about the # of outstanding pull requests you have. Remind me, have you started looking into Twine yet?

[20:32:42] <sumanah> devesh: I also would love for you to join in on https://blends.debian.org/med/tasks/covid-19

[20:32:45] <sumanah> which is happening right now

[20:33:06] <devesh> Yes I have started playing around and going through the code, and I raised an issue about not able to run tox -e docs

[20:33:10] <sumanah> an online hackathon to help improve some systems and software packages used by researchers fighting the pandemic

[20:33:19] <devesh> But the response has been a bit slow

[20:34:23] <sumanah> devesh: yes; you are eager to contribute *now* and it would be good for you to be involved in some projects where the velocity of review can match your capacity for work, at least for the next few weeks

[20:34:36] <sumanah> so I encourage you to take a look at the COVID-19 hackathon which is happening this week

[20:35:11] <devesh> The link you shared, will do.

[20:36:46] <devesh> BTW sorry sumanah, I didn't get what you meant when you said "I understand what you're saying about the # of outstanding pull requests you have."

[20:37:17] <sumanah> I meant that I understand that you are concerned about having several PRs open simultaneously. You want to be courteous

[20:39:48] <devesh> Aah okay, I understand. I was just making sure that my comment about # of PRs is not taken in a way that I am criticizing for the PR velocity

[20:40:22] <devesh> I understand as with any projects, and specially OSS ones, the involvement waxes and wanes

[20:45:45] <sumanah> got it

[20:49:17] <devesh> Also the hackathon is debian specific, which I haven't used, but I will still go through the projects and see how can I help

[21:31:48] <sumanah> techalchemy: hey I'm working probably the next ~hour .... hope you are doing well

[21:32:05] <techalchemy> trying to

[21:32:59] <techalchemy> sorting through the hidden issues, looks like the remainder of the issues were pytest timeout issues

[21:33:24] <techalchemy> besides the one failure i still have on my GCE instance now :| wonder what that is

[21:36:03] <techalchemy> I have like a million bees that have colonized the eaves of my house, i can't decide if it's a problem or not

[21:37:08] <sumanah> Bees? literal bees?

[21:37:39] <sumanah> techalchemy: this feels possibly foreboding. But only narratively. Not sure about literally

[21:42:23] <techalchemy> lol

[21:42:30] <techalchemy> sumanah, yeah, wasps

[21:42:33] <techalchemy> loads of them

[21:42:39] <techalchemy> i basically live in the woods

[21:42:50] <sumanah> nooooo! wasps! aieee

[21:46:37] <techalchemy> i just think there might be too many to leave alone

[21:46:53] <techalchemy> on other hand i'm not sure about calling someone to take care of it with the pandemic and all

[21:50:37] <sumanah> techalchemy: buuuuut if they swarm to hurt somebody, that would be bad. And.... I'm guessing Animal Control has the equivalent of hazmat suits?

[21:50:56] <techalchemy> oh i doubt animal control cares

[21:51:09] <techalchemy> they barely care about real animals

[21:52:04] <sumanah> Exterminators then -- again, they have protective equipment. Preventing potential hospital-y health problems seems like a good idea and seems like the kind of essential work that is ok during a pandemic

[21:52:34] <sumanah> anyway I know this is kind of offtopic for this channel .... hope you are able to get it taken care of before it hurts someone

[21:52:36] <techalchemy> hm yeah thatseems fair

[21:52:59] <sumanah> techalchemy: if you have any problems that seem GCE-related, Dustin can possibly help

[21:53:12] <techalchemy> no gce itself is great so far

[21:53:19] <sumanah> di_codes hear that? ^ :-)

[21:53:22] <techalchemy> actually a lifesaver

[21:53:44] <techalchemy> considering i can have windows for like $0.20 / i wish i did that earlier

[21:54:05] <sumanah> about that PEP 517 thing we never came to a resolution on, tech

[21:54:07] <sumanah> techalchemy:

[21:54:09] <sumanah> I figure if you had to start skipping the test because Azure was cranky, it seems like a good idea to add an issue to the backlog to un-skip that in the future

[22:11:03] <techalchemy> ah i didn't add a skip for that ultimately

[22:16:37] <sumanah> techalchemy: oh ok! then I will remove that TODO

[22:17:23] <sumanah> done

[22:32:59] <travis-ci> pypa/twine#1356 (master - f7402e0 : Brian Rutledge): The build passed.

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[22:32:59] <travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/pypa/twine/builds/672282672

[22:47:25] <sumanah> catch you later techalchemy

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