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[02:25:14] <dstufft> Ivo: are you able to fix up the issues in https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/1569 anytime soon? Hopefully tonight? If not i'll probably have to do it tomorrow

[02:26:00] <Ivo> yeah was gonna look at it after lunch

[02:26:30] <dstufft> ah

[02:26:34] <dstufft> you're an aussie too :)

[02:26:58] <dstufft> also I'm concerned that I guessed that by your time difference

[02:27:08] <dstufft> too many aussies I talk too apparently :D

[02:31:17] <dstufft> lol

[04:41:24] <Ivo> dstufft: https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/1569

[04:42:46] <Ivo> tomprince: you know what the main bits of twisted are that are stuck in python 2 atm?

[04:54:20] <Ivo> bah, py3

[05:16:55] <Ivo> dstufft: do you know why the tox.ini requires virtualenv from git rather than just its pypi?

[11:05:12] <tomprince> Ivo: Most of it.

[11:05:36] <tomprince> Canonical payed for a couple ofdevelopers to port a bunch of the core stuff and some of the web stuff.

[11:05:48] <tomprince> There is a list of modules in setup.py (or maybe setup3.py).

[11:06:04] <Ivo> aren't you getting paid for stuff these days?

[11:06:07] <tomprince> There hasn't been a whole lot of movement after that, since none of the core devs particularly cares.

[11:06:11] <tomprince> Nope.

[11:06:25] <Ivo> i saw a blog post about a tom prince being a fellow

[11:06:39] <tomprince> The money mostly ran out, and I got a job at a startup.

[11:06:46] <Ivo> aha

[11:06:50] <tomprince> I was for about 6 months.

[11:07:35] <Ivo> do you think the twisted project cares about python 3 much?

[11:08:09] <Ivo> as in, do they care about seeing it ported or seeing a rewrite in any sense?

[11:09:17] <tomprince> There isn't a great deal of opposition (although it has made some parts of the code worse), but not really any motivation.

[11:09:45] <Ivo> as in py2+py3 compat code made the code worse?

[11:10:14] <tomprince> I think in some cases (particularly formatting bytes, even pure py3 would be worse.

[11:11:05] <Ivo> I do not like that its not easy to do byte arithmatic in python :/

[11:11:30] <Ivo> thanks for telling me about it :)

[11:11:44] <tomprince> Not byte arithmetic, % formatting.

[11:11:57] <tomprince> for things like http headers.

[11:12:28] <tomprince> Also, I think python3 want strings, not bytes written to sockets?

[11:12:57] <Ivo> don't think so...

[11:13:28] <tomprince> Oh, no. The code I am thinking about is a consequense of the lack of bytes formatting.

[11:13:59] <Ivo> no that is a shame there's no % / format on bytes

[11:16:15] <Ivo> i suppose you can always ascii/cp1252 decode everything till it goes out on the wire...

[20:27:36] <Ivo> dstufft: shout if you want anything with #1569

[21:49:29] <dstufft> Ivo: looks good

[21:50:23] <Ivo> dstufft: is that all that you and qwcode wanted in terms of extracting? https://github.com/Ivoz/pip/commit/9f4f6738a5eca158b919af3fa5b2cbc540174452#diff-2695f32c4432acd141c3dbe7e7e3a6b0R420

[21:50:41] <dstufft> yea it looks reasonable to me

[21:57:36] <Ivo> dstufft: I wanted to test the warning log, but it would be easiest to use something like https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytest-capturelog/ and I didn't want to add another test depedency willy-nilly