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[02:40:03] <Ivo> yo dstufft I'm pretty sure you've been cheating on the contributors list with lines changed through get-pip.py https://github.com/pypa/pip/graphs/contributors

[02:41:03] <dstufft> Ivo: I totally wrote everything in pip._vendor

[02:41:11] <Ivo> oh, true that

[02:41:19] <Ivo> hehehehe

[02:47:13] <dstufft> multiple times!

[02:47:16] <dstufft> (go go upgrades)

[02:53:06] <dstufft> .

[04:48:38] <Ivo> private pip index that works over ssl and won't cause pip to spit warnings at you ^_^ https://github.com/Ivoz/pipa

[04:53:00] <dstufft> heh

[04:53:01] <dstufft> cool

[04:53:17] <dstufft> we'll be removing those on localhost, and i'm half way considering removing them all together :/

[05:46:29] <Ivo> who's we

[05:47:27] <Ivo> dstufft: removing ssl?

[05:47:36] <dstufft> the warning

[05:47:55] <Ivo> but all the pain you've already caused! it will be for naught!

[17:48:23] <glyph> dstufft: hi

[17:48:43] <glyph> dstufft: I'm actually going to discuss packaging politely on a channel where it's relevant now ;(

[17:49:16] <dstufft> It's packaging, don't be too polite :)

[17:52:19] <dstufft> glyph: whats up?

[18:57:13] <glyph> dstufft: does pip respect environment markers?

[18:57:42] <dstufft> In a Wheel file yes, in setup.py I think that would depend on setuptools not pip

[18:57:53] <glyph> dstufft: well, does it?

[18:58:50] <dstufft> I know setuptools has experimental support for them, but I'm not sure how well they work TBH, I normally don't use them in the setup.py and just override them for Wheel - Partially that's because a lot of people still use ancient setuptools

[19:00:04] <glyph> Bah.

[19:00:34] <dstufft> I assume you're trying to use them so you don't have to put conditionals in your setup.py?

[19:13:20] <glyph> dstufft--: is putting conditionals in setup.py acceptable?

[19:13:27] <glyph> dstufft-: like, will it even work?

[19:13:30] <dstufft--> glyph: yea

[19:13:33] <dstufft--> it'll work

[19:13:50] <dstufft--> but if you're building wheels you'll want to convert those to environment markers

[19:13:52] <dstufft--> sec I have an example

[19:14:16] <dstufft--> https://github.com/dstufft/twine/blob/master/setup.py // https://github.com/dstufft/twine/blob/master/setup.cfg#L9-L13

[19:14:32] <dstufft--> the wheel utility lets you override the install_requires list using a setup.cfg directive

[19:14:36] <dstufft--> it's kind of gross, but it works atm

[19:17:14] <dstufft--> glyph: sorry the answer to this isn't super clean atm :(

[19:24:21] <glyph> dstufft: it's okay

[19:24:27] <glyph> dstufft: I know it's Fucking Setuptools™

[20:46:33] <dstufft> There, I set up ZNC

[21:00:31] <glyph> dstufft: thanks.

[22:45:31] <wsanchez_> Anyone know how to get CFLAGS from distutils in a command using python and not python-config?

[22:45:43] <wsanchez_> ie. I want the same as "python-config --cflags" but I know where python is and not where python-config is.

[22:46:00] <_habnabit> wsanchez_, distutils.sysconfig, apparently

[22:46:08] <_habnabit> wsanchez_, i'm just reading the source to python-config

[22:46:10] <wsanchez_> coolness

[22:46:29] <wsanchez_> I was about to try that but OS X's python install annoys me

[22:47:07] <tomprince> Python Pacakaging Authority.

[22:47:31] <wsanchez_> aha thanks