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[00:13:15] <buck1> feature or bug? in requirements.txt -r ./foo is file-relative while -e ./foo is user-relative

[06:47:54] <mgedmin> 503 error from pypi again

[06:48:02] <mgedmin> is it just me or are those getting more frequent?

[09:34:37] <jrabbit> does virtualenv use its own pip?

[09:38:26] <mgedmin> usually, yes

[09:38:52] <mgedmin> you can create a virtualenv without pip if you really want to

[09:39:16] <mgedmin> (I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to ... well maybe if you want to test pip bootstrapping in a clean python that doesn't have pip)

[09:43:05] <jrabbit> mgedmin: I mean its own version or if it copies the system's pip

[09:43:20] <jrabbit> mgedmin: I'm running into a nasty bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751827

[09:43:31] <jrabbit> and it doesn't seem like their fix works here

[09:43:42] <mgedmin> I think debian's virtualenv behaves differently from upstream virtualenv

[09:43:53] <mgedmin> I believe upstream virtualenv bundles its own copy of setuptools and pip and installs those

[09:44:20] <jrabbit> hm ok

[15:37:19] <straycat> What's the best way to bootstrap setuptools on a machine with no internet connection? From what I can see the 0.6 version of setuptools bootstraps itself, whilst this doesn't seem to work fully on 7.0, I may be mistaken though.

[15:55:01] <qwcode> straycat, you can install pip/setuptools using local copies of "get-pip.py", pip and setuptools see here https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/installing.html#install-pip specifically the bit about "Install from local copies of pip and setuptools"

[15:56:11] <straycat> qwcode, thanks :)

[16:13:20] <straycat> It seems a little odd to me that the 0.6 version can install itself, what stops 7.0 from doing this?

[17:25:07] <straycat> Actually I now think this is a recent setuptools bug, checked out from the 7.0 tag I can build and install just fine using distutils. Checked out from master I encounter issues.