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[02:45:18] <prologic> Q: Can the pip egg and wheel cache be the same directory?

[08:21:19] <ronny> prologic: my current understanding is that it should be fine

[08:28:06] <dstufft> prologic: ronny yea it should be fine, pip will just ignore eggs

[08:50:02] <prologic> sweet thanks guys

[08:50:08] <prologic> I *thought* as much but actually hadn't tested it yet

[08:50:16] <prologic> it should use whatever it finds I suppose?

[08:51:01] <prologic> and if it's both pip's cache and wheel's wheeldir and --no-index and no other --find-links should pick up both .egg and .whl from that dir?

[08:53:16] <ronny> prologic: pip wont do eggs

[08:53:32] <ronny> prologic: pip only dos wheels and source packages

[08:54:25] <ronny> prologic: i mix or separate the directories based on deployment needs

[08:56:10] <prologic> oh that's right :)

[08:56:10] <prologic> sorry

[08:56:15] <prologic> yeah pip only does sources

[08:56:24] <prologic> and it unpacks and does a setup.py thingy

[08:56:53] <dstufft> andw heels!

[08:56:55] <dstufft> wheels are great

[08:59:17] <prologic> they are indeed

[08:59:18] <prologic> I love em :)

[09:02:18] <xafer> speaking of them, I was wondering why the wheel package wasnt vendored in pip ?

[09:04:23] <dstufft> xafer: for similar reasons the setuptools packages wasn't, we're OK with optional dependencies in certain situations, but the core package manager should work

[09:06:57] <xafer> but since pip is expected to install package via building wheels, the wheel package will ultimately be vendored right ?

[09:08:48] <dstufft> maybe

[09:08:52] <dstufft> maybe not :D

[09:09:01] <dstufft> we'll have to see how it plays out

[09:09:15] <prologic> in any case it's trivial to just pip install wheel

[09:09:21] <prologic> and even do it as a post hook in virtualenv

[09:09:30] <dstufft> one option, which is likely the real future, but may not in the short term, is to have it dynamically install wheel/setuptools as part of the build process

[09:09:52] <prologic> that could be nice

[10:35:07] <ronny> prologic: as far as i understood installing wheels wont need the wheel package, just creating them does

[10:35:55] <apollo13> exactly

[10:36:18] <dstufft> well

[10:36:33] <dstufft> what xafer was talking about is that in the future pip is going to build a wheel if one isn't available

[10:36:55] <dstufft> instead of running setup.py install we'll run setup.py bdist_wheel and then install the wheel

[11:48:11] <ronny> dstufft: when will that be supported by default, it would ease some deployment setups of mine, where we start with creating cached wheel, then install those wheels

[11:57:39] <pf_moore> ronny: basically waiting on someone with the time to implement it