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[19:08:56] <tdsmith> oh. i suppose you can't ask setup.py for the things setup.py requires can you :|

[19:24:14] <dstufft> tdsmith: you can if you engineer your setup.py to allow it

[19:24:38] <dstufft> which is how any existing use of setup_requires is engineered, there's just not a command to say "gimme the setup_requires"

[19:27:03] <tdsmith> oh, right, which is what the whole thread's about

[19:27:51] <dstufft> the thread is about a feature that lets you not have to engineer your setup.py in a special way

[19:28:08] <tdsmith> yep

[19:28:21] <dstufft> if you rely on that feature you break the ability to just randomly execute setup.py ofc

[19:41:36] <elarson> dstufft: sorry I missed your ping, what's up?

[19:42:39] <dstufft> elarson: No problem, was just going to poke you about these two PRs https://github.com/ionrock/cachecontrol/pulls they fix issues pip is having and I wanted to see if there was anything you felt the PRs needed :)

[20:31:46] <isthisreallife> hello

[20:33:23] <isthisreallife> i just createn new virtualenv and didnt install anything from requirements.txt

[20:33:44] <isthisreallife> but when i type pip list i get : http://pastie.org/10040400

[20:33:46] <isthisreallife> why is that

[20:37:29] <linovia> isthisreallife: you probably have an open virtualenv and pip list wihtout -l will also list non local packages

[20:37:40] <linovia> forget what I said

[20:38:17] <linovia> actually, -l will work for list as well

[20:43:07] <isthisreallife> i get the same list with pip list -l