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[00:08:36] <thomi> Hi, I'm seeing frequent (>75% of the time) HTTP 500 responses when browsing setuptools docs at https://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/setuptools.html - is this the correct place to notify someone?

[00:11:16] <ionelmc> thomi: maybe #python-infra

[00:11:25] <thomi> ionelmc: thanks

[10:16:34] <Kuba> hey guys

[10:16:38] <Kuba> any pypi admins/gurus here? I get a Forbidden You are not allowed to store 'XXX' package information

[10:17:27] <Kuba> (trying to register new pkg)

[10:20:05] <mgedmin> maybe the name is already taken?

[10:22:10] <Kuba> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/XXX is 404

[10:22:31] <Kuba> is there any other authoritative source of names?

[10:22:44] <Kuba> it's not listed in https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=index either

[10:23:26] <mgedmin> I'd say https://pypi.python.org/simple/ is authoritative

[10:24:06] <Kuba> mgedmin: ok, it's there

[10:24:14] <mgedmin> oh, is it? I didn't notice

[10:24:30] <Kuba> XXX ~~~> letsencrypt

[10:24:30] <mgedmin> unless you used XXX as a placeholder for the real name

[10:24:33] <mgedmin> ah

[10:24:44] <Kuba> /simple/letsencrypt is 404 still

[10:25:07] <mgedmin> afaiu that means it never uploaded any files

[10:25:20] <Kuba> how do I find package owner?

[10:25:32] <doismellburning> er

[10:25:51] <Kuba> hopefully it's someone from our team, otherwise I'll need to negiotiate ownership transfer...

[10:25:55] <mgedmin> ask pypi admins

[10:25:56] <Kuba> hehe

[10:25:56] <doismellburning> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/0-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-0 does not 404 but I've never uploaded any files

[10:26:14] <ronny> doismellburning: omg?

[10:26:21] <mgedmin> no files and no releases then?

[10:26:32] <mgedmin> source code of pypi is on the web somewhere if you're really curious

[10:26:50] <mgedmin> Kuba, this channel is a good place (modulo timezones); you can also ask on distutils-sig@

[10:27:19] <Kuba> #distutils-sig? otherwise, if its email, I cannot guess the domain

[10:27:20] <mgedmin> previous requests about name ownership transfers involved creating a ticket somewhere -- on sourceforge, I think?

[10:27:35] <mgedmin> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

[10:27:41] <Kuba> great, thanks

[10:27:46] <mgedmin> https://sourceforge.net/p/pypi/support-requests/

[10:28:11] <mgedmin> the ownership transfer policy changed recently after a big flamewar and now they only change ownership if the previous owner explicitly agrees to it

[10:28:21] <mgedmin> at least for packages with existing releases on pypi

[10:28:40] <mgedmin> a name-squatted package like that might be a different thing, if you're part of the letsencrypt.org upstream

[10:28:42] <Kuba> it might have been pypi error, and I'm the owner in fact

[10:29:09] <Kuba> because I clicked to upload PKG-INFO and then submit at the bottom of the form

[10:29:20] <Kuba> instead of submit under PKG-INFO

[10:29:31] <Kuba> and I got the error that name is missing

[10:29:31] <mgedmin> maybe you broke pypi :D

[10:29:55] <Kuba> heh, maybe

[10:30:25] <mgedmin> hey, if you log in to https://pypi.python.org

[10:30:39] <mgedmin> do you see 'letsencrypt' in the "Your packages:" list in the box on the top-right?

[10:31:25] <Kuba> already checked that before, but no, unfortunately :(

[10:31:56] <Kuba> also, doismellburning had a point

[10:32:35] <mgedmin> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Pygame is a 404 but pygame is a registered name

[10:32:44] <mgedmin> see e.g. https://pypi.python.org/simple/pygame/

[10:34:07] <Kuba> interesting

[10:34:48] <mgedmin> very!

[10:35:15] <Kuba> how did you find this one anyway?

[10:35:29] <Kuba> :D

[10:35:37] <mgedmin> pygame? tried pip install pygame, that failed in an interesting way, so I tried to look it up

[10:36:09] <Kuba> oh wow, what a coincidence

[10:36:12] <mgedmin> saw that /pypi/pygame redirects to /pypi/Pygame, which then 404s

[10:36:58] <mgedmin> coincidence? no, I tried that a while ago (when I wanted to add python 3 support to pyspacewar's .travis.yml), and now whenever I need an example of a pypi project with a 404 index page, pygame it is

[10:37:23] <Kuba> hah

[10:38:35] <mgedmin> ... until https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame/issue/59/pygame-has-no-pypi-page-and-cant-be is fixed at least

[10:46:47] <ionelmc> lol https://pypi.python.org/pypi/o_O

[10:48:45] <mgedmin> https://github.com/saucelabs/monocle#_o is better

[11:14:40] <ronny> hmm

[11:58:35] <towler> Can use python to build system like apt-get on windows?

[11:59:25] <doismellburning> sure

[12:00:42] <towler> auto download,install and config .

[12:16:56] <ronny> towler: its not quite clear what you are asking for

[12:32:40] <towler> ronny:i want the thing that can auto download/install/config software on windows.

[12:34:13] <ronny> towler: whats your native language?

[12:34:51] <ronny> also note that systems like nuget and similar things already exist and it might be a good idea to build on top

[12:37:43] <towler> sorry for poor english.yes. can use python to build a system like nuget?

[12:38:11] <ronny> towler: yes, thats possible, but why do you want to?

[12:38:55] <mgedmin> (a good answer would be "to learn about python and/or packaging systems")

[12:39:44] <mgedmin> (a bad answer would be "to replace all existing packaging systems because they suck or I don't know about their existence", see also xkcd 927)

[12:40:56] <DanielHolth> How would it be different than pip + devpi or conda?

[12:41:04] <DanielHolth> (3 interesting Python packaging things)

[12:44:51] <towler> mgedmin said right.

[13:16:08] <DanielHolth> \

[13:21:26] <ronny> 7hmm, time to do some work on the gumby elf

[15:17:50] <Kuba> any pypi admins already online?

[15:19:31] <tos9> Kuba: might want to try #python-infra

[15:20:15] <Kuba> tos9: thanks

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