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[16:22:02] <jezdez> dstufft: how did deleting documentation on pythonhosted.org work again

[16:22:02] <jezdez> ?

[16:22:13] <jezdez> django-tidings has moved to RTD

[19:28:58] <jamescarr> I have a wheel question...

[19:29:09] <jamescarr> If I build a wheel of my application

[19:29:22] <jamescarr> does it also build and include all the dependencies?

[19:30:53] <ronny> jamescarr: no, wheels do not contain and include dependencies, instead they refer to them, then pip takes a look before installing the wheel and installs them as well

[19:32:52] <DanielHolth> pip wheel does build the dependencies as separate wheels

[19:47:49] <plathrop> Any chance of ever changing that? I'd love to single-artifact-deploy my python apps.

[19:48:40] <ronny> plathrop: there is a new format for single artifact apps that are zippable

[19:48:55] <ronny> plathrop: as for the wheels, just make a bundle of all required wheels?

[19:49:03] <ronny> plathrop: what kinda apps do you deploy?

[19:49:45] <plathrop> ronny: several different types, from tornado-based web applications to CLI tools to django webapps

[19:49:59] <ronny> i see

[19:50:34] <plathrop> We've been struggling to find the right way to manage single-artifact repeatable builds/deploys, and learning the ins and outs of setup.py vs. requirements.txt, etc.

[19:51:12] <plathrop> The fact that virtualenvs aren't relocatable has been rough

[19:51:24] <plathrop> But we've kinda settled on building debian packages of things

[19:52:34] <plathrop> We've got a package.sh that basically creates a virtualenv, installs the app and dependencies into it, uses virtualenv-tools to make the virtualenv relocatable, and then makes a debian package out of the resulting directory structure.

[19:52:38] <ronny> plathrop: hmm, hmm, tommorow will decide if sunday a relocatable replacement for virtualnv will exist ^^

[19:53:00] <plathrop> But I'm not sure if we're just Doing It Wrong or what :-)

[19:53:20] <plathrop> ronny: Oh really? Interesting. I'lm exciting to see where that goes.

[19:53:32] <plathrop> excited. Ugh, not enough caffeine

[19:53:44] <plathrop> Can't. Sentence. Properly.

[19:53:58] <ronny> plathrop: a friend of mine will visit for a sprint, but he caught somthing, and might not make it for health reasons

[19:54:26] <plathrop> I'm sending "get well" brain waves :-D

[19:55:41] <plathrop> Part of our problem is just not being modern, of course. We're still stuck on pip==1.4.1 because reasons that will bore you but I assure you make sense in our environment for now.

[19:57:35] <dstufft> plathrop: pex is a decent thin if you want a single file deployment (minus Python itself)

[19:57:42] <dstufft> it comes out of twitter

[19:57:43] <ronny> plathrop: at work we ensure a python27 on deployments and most recent pip/setuptools in the virtualenvs

[19:57:57] <plathrop> dstufft: cool, I'll take a look, thanks!

[19:58:10] <plathrop> ronny: yeah, we're 2.7, but not yet recent package tools.

[19:58:12] <plathrop> brbafk

[20:07:41] <plathrop> bak

[20:10:15] <plathrop> dstufft: wow, pex looks pretty awesome. Any known gotchas?

[20:20:16] <_habnabit> plathrop, seconding pex

[20:21:02] <_habnabit> plathrop, dh_virtualenv is a project that tries to make debs out of virtualenvs and it's really bad; pex is a better solution, and i'm writing up a thing about how to use pex with debian to make .debs that deploy single-artifact python apps

[20:21:55] <plathrop> _habnabit: I'll happily be a beta reader for you :-)

[20:22:11] <_habnabit> plathrop, cool; i'll keep that in mind

[20:22:45] <plathrop> Totally out of the kindness of my own heart, obviously. No way I'll profit from getting my grubby little hands on that tchnique...

[20:22:46] <plathrop> :-D

[20:23:04] <_habnabit> heh

[20:29:18] <Yasumoto> _habnabit: whoa, sweet

[20:29:33] <Yasumoto> I'm actually in a conference room with wickman trying to come up with an internal presentation about pex 1.0 right now :D

[20:29:56] <_habnabit> Yasumoto, neat!

[20:30:27] <Yasumoto> (I'll nudge him to give it publicly too if that's intriguing )