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[03:04:34] <HenryG> I can't seem to get "pip install --user <foo>" to work.

[03:06:08] <HenryG> I get "This repository located at None is not a trusted host"

[03:09:45] <HenryG> If I copy my pip.conf from another host (where it works), I get a bunch of weird errors

[06:39:37] <mgedmin> waaah ubuntu and certificates and why can't I curl from PyPI???

[06:49:19] <mgedmin> okay apparently I needed to 'sudo c_rehash' and this is documented precisely nowhere

[06:49:25] <mgedmin> good thing I can read shell

[17:10:39] <msabramo> What is the PEP 440 equivalent version specifier of "python-dateutil<2.0,>=2.2"? Comma used to mean OR and now it's AND. I can't find a way to express an OR w/ PEP 440?

[17:12:10] <dstufft> msabramo: command didn't mean OR before, it's rules were fairly complicated and I never could quite grok all of them, a generalization is sometimes it meant OR, sometimes it meant AND, and sometimes it meant... something else, "COMBINE" or something.

[17:12:36] <tos9> Sigh how do I tell pip to stop trying to uninstall the global distribute when I pip install --user -U setuptools

[17:12:42] <dstufft> in PEP 440 there is no OR though

[17:12:48] <dstufft> tos9: does --ignore-installed work?

[17:12:51] <msabramo> dstufft: ok wow so it was very confusing I guess. A lot of people in my org seemed to treat it like an OR it seems

[17:13:23] <tos9> dstufft: No, doesn't appear to.

[17:13:32] <msabramo> dstufft: Can I tell it to just ignore python-dateutil 2.0.* and 2.1.*?

[17:14:02] <msabramo> oh I guess since comma is AND I could have two exclusion clauses

[17:14:07] <dstufft> msabramo: !=2.0.*,!=2.1.* works in pip 6+ and setuptools 8+

[17:14:25] <dstufft> if you want something that works across more versions, you'd have to expand out the wildcard

[17:14:49] <msabramo> maybe python-dateutil>=2.2 is good enough

[17:14:49] <tos9> https://bpaste.net/show/7960deb4b83f

[17:14:54] <nanonyme> Does anyone really care about older than setuptools 8+ anymore? ;)

[17:15:03] <msabramo> forces people to upgrade but that's not so bad

[17:15:30] <msabramo> I don't know about setuptools 8 but a lot of things in my company are still using pip 1.5.6

[17:15:36] <dstufft> tos9: I feel like maybe there's a ticket about this, perhaps from eevee

[17:15:50] <msabramo> because a lot of our stuff is yet to be updated to be PEP 440 compliant, like this thing for instance

[17:16:15] <dstufft> tos9: not that "yea someone else had your problem, it still isn't fixed" is a great help to you :/

[17:16:42] <tos9> dstufft: Sigh, alright, virtualenv it is.

[17:16:45] <tos9> dstufft: Thanks.

[17:31:13] <tdsmith> dstufft: belated pong