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[05:03:53] <pandb> ip installing query with pip3, and it's been stuck on " Running setup.py install for pandas" for a few minutes

[05:04:39] <pandb> i don't think that's normal, but i'm not sure where to start troubleshooting

[06:59:19] <mgedmin> uh, halp

[06:59:22] <mgedmin> github.com/zopefoundation/ZODB/issues/36

[06:59:49] <mgedmin> an install_requires=[...] + ([...] if sys.version == ...) breaks bdist_wheel

[07:00:26] <mgedmin> I'm looking at wheel.readthedocs.org/en/latest/#defining-the-python-version for a workaround

[07:00:44] <mgedmin> --python-tag XXX is not a solution: it's pip that's invoking bdist_wheel, not me

[07:01:08] <mgedmin> [bdist_wheel] in setup.cfg would be a solution but

[07:01:41] <mgedmin> I can't say python-tag = py27! It'll be wrong for 2.6, 3.2, ... 3.4

[07:02:09] <mgedmin> what do?

[07:32:46] <mgedmin> Invalid environment marker: platform_python_implementation == "PyPy"

[07:32:50] <mgedmin> wat. is. dat.

[07:33:06] <mgedmin> is PEP-426 vapourware?

[07:34:28] <mgedmin> how do I distinguish pypy?

[07:35:23] <mgedmin> my pypy (2.5.0) doesn't have sys.implementation.name

[07:36:15] <mgedmin> and even if it did

[07:36:16] <mgedmin> Invalid environment marker: implementation_name == "PyPy"

[08:18:15] <ionelmc> mgedmin: tried platform.python_implementation ?

[08:18:55] <mgedmin> pypy -c 'import platform; print platform.python_implementation()' => "PyPy"

[08:19:25] <mgedmin> extras_require={':platform_python_implementation == "PyPy"': [...]} => Invalid environment marker

[08:20:06] <ionelmc> mgedmin: platform.python_implementation

[08:20:10] <ionelmc> with the dot

[08:20:14] <ionelmc> doesn't it work?

[08:20:55] <ionelmc> eg: extras_require={':platform.python_implementation == "PyPy"': [

[08:21:12] <ionelmc> i may be looking at old setuptools code tho

[08:21:54] <ionelmc> ah no, it's like that: bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/src/b6e4e89191a674855e06114e8072f2449ef53347/_markerlib/markers.py?at=default#cl-48

[08:22:52] <mgedmin> python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/#environment-markers says there's no dot

[08:23:44] <ionelmc> mgedmin: no idea what's going on there, there i so many peps i go straight to the code when i'm in doubt

[08:23:51] <ionelmc> s/i/are/

[08:24:06] <mgedmin> it helps when you know which code to go ti!

[08:24:28] <ionelmc> mgedmin: pypi.python.org/pypi/hunter helps a lot ;-)

[08:24:44] <ionelmc> iow i cheat :)

[08:27:14] <mgedmin> also, Invalid environment marker: platform.python_implementation == "PyPy"

[08:29:08] <mgedmin> but actually

[08:29:28] <mgedmin> is there even such a thing as pypy for python 2.6?

[08:30:11] <mgedmin> I'll pretend there isn't

[08:30:50] <mgedmin> this is basically "python_version != '2.6'"

[08:33:10] <ionelmc> oh

[08:33:15] <ionelmc> so it does replace the dots

[08:36:37] <ionelmc> mgedmin: this works ":python_implementation=='PyPy'": ['crappo']

[08:36:59] <mgedmin> that's good to know

[08:37:16] <mgedmin> so, where do I file the bug?

[08:37:22] <mgedmin> setuptools?

[08:37:40] <ionelmc> mgedmin: this is the actual env bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/src/b6e4e89191a674855e06114e8072f2449ef53347/pkg_resources/__init__.py?at=default#cl-1392

[08:37:52] <ionelmc> looks like _markerlib has deadcode?!

[08:37:53] <ionelmc> wtf

[08:38:26] <ionelmc> i suppose a bug report in setuptools is a good start

[08:39:27] <ionelmc> it would appear it still use markerlib bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/src/b6e4e89191a674855e06114e8072f2449ef53347/pkg_resources/__init__.py?at=default#cl-1526

[08:39:30] <ionelmc> but with different env

[08:42:04] <ionelmc> this is why i dislike dependency bundling, me and plenty of other people expect that the shipped code is not a mixture of copied deadcode

[08:51:01] <mgedmin> pip list --outdated -> bunch of packages, some from ~/.local, some from ubuntu's dist-packages

[08:51:11] <mgedmin> pip list --outdated --user -> only one package (hypothesis)

[08:51:22] <mgedmin> where are all the other outdated user packages go?

[14:26:36] <tomprince> mgedmin: My impression is that PEP-426 isn't fully suppported, now.

[18:24:45] <ronny> tomprince: as far as i understood toosl dont support it propperly atm

[18:27:12] <pandb> can i/should i change permissions to /usr/python/site-packages so that i can use pip without sudo or su every time?

[18:27:31] <ronny> pandb: never

[18:27:45] <pandb> oh

[18:28:10] <ronny> pandb: in general /usr is under the control of the package manager if the linux distribution, you shouldnt put things in it, that the package manager does not handle

[22:43:26] <warner> hi folks.. I'm hacking on Versioneer today (github.com/warner/python-versioneer) and had a question

[22:43:43] <warner> is it ever correct to run a setup.py command from outside the package's directory?

[22:43:58] <warner> e.g. something like "python .../path/to/setup.py install"

[22:44:07] <warner> as opposed to "cd .../path/to && python setup.py install"

[22:44:49] <warner> it seems like pip/easy_install tend to run setup.py commands from the same directory as the setup.py, but I'm trying to work out if I need to support running those commands from a different directory