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[12:36:54] <tos9> `python2.6 -m pip install WebTest==2.0.17` properly installs the dependency on ordereddict, but `python2.6 -m pip install WebTest==2.0.18` does not, and there is 0 suspicious looking things in the diff between them.

[12:36:58] <tos9> What am I missing?

[12:48:25] <ronny> tos9: as far as i can tell nothing, what pip version, is there a wheel cache?

[13:51:12] <ionelmc> tos9: wheel caching then, cause webtest doesn't use environment markers for the ordereddict conditional dependency

[14:16:27] <tos9> ronny / ionelmc: tox is handling the install, let's see -- I also checked for those.

[14:16:35] <tos9> But I also know that tox does funny things about creating sdists.

[14:17:15] <ionelmc> tos9: tox just caches the sdist within a single run (eg: when you run multiple envs) afaik

[14:17:24] <ionelmc> but on the next run it rebuilds it

[14:17:58] <tos9> ionelmc: I think it also runs sdists with different pythons sometimes, at least I have that written down in my list of tox idiosyncracies

[14:18:03] <tos9> setup.py sdist I mean

[14:18:11] <tos9> but lemme see, I'll try explicitly listing --no-cache

[14:18:15] <doismellburning> tos9: is that list public? :)

[14:18:41] <tos9> doismellburning: No because it contains lots of obscenities and only-half-verified things :)

[14:19:25] <doismellburning> tos9: ah, much like mine!

[14:20:13] <tos9> ronny / ionelmc: OK yeah so that's what it was, surprised I didn't check that first, but thanks. Guess I get to send them a PR.

[14:21:11] <ionelmc> tos9: wheel caching?

[14:21:27] <ionelmc> what would you put in the PR?

[14:21:35] <tos9> ionelmc: the environment markers, no?

[14:21:44] <ionelmc> oh

[14:21:48] <tos9> Yeah.

[14:22:30] <ionelmc> maybe tox should have an option to disable the wheel caching in pip

[14:22:54] <ionelmc> you can also disable it globally

[14:22:56] <tos9> I'd probably have expected it to by default.

[14:23:10] <tos9> It's clearly not a good thing for test reproducability, but I've lost that battle :/

[14:24:21] <ionelmc> i'm not even sure how to disable it globally

[14:24:57] <ionelmc> if you use --no-cache-dir then that disables *all* the caches

[14:25:57] <ronny> tos9: add --no-binary WebTest?

[14:26:05] <ionelmc> dstufft: --no-binary=:all: would avoid using prebuilt wheels even if they are on pypi?

[14:26:26] <ronny> ionelmc: yup

[14:26:35] <ionelmc> boo

[14:26:41] <ionelmc> :-)

[14:26:45] <ronny> exactly

[14:27:25] <ionelmc> maybe there should be a --no-binary=:sdist:

[14:28:16] <ronny> ionelmc: what i'd like is a --disable-wheel-cache

[18:41:44] <preyalone> help, i deleted the old release, but i can't republish it. i get Submitting dist/liquidnitrogen-0.0.tar.gz to https://pypi.python.org/pypi; error: HTTP Error 400: This filename has previously been used, you should use a different version.

[18:42:07] <tos9> that looks like a 0.0 release -- you really want to republish that?

[18:42:12] <preyalone> yes

[18:42:31] <tos9> I don't know if that's actually possible -- someone will chime in from PyPI I'm sure though.

[18:43:16] <preyalone> python packaging syntax is incredibly difficult to get right, and there are almost no checks on publish. so i'm wasting version numbers just to get my requirements.txt included, for example.

[18:45:41] <tos9> What's wrong with wasting version numbers :P

[18:46:01] <tos9> (Also yes you're correct -- but you can test your sdists before you upload them)

[18:46:08] <tos9> correct that packaging is difficult to get right that is.

[18:46:54] <preyalone> the fact that requirements.txt was missing wasn't even caught by pip install -e ., nor by the upload process

[18:47:52] <preyalone> i'll take republishing as impossible due to the filenames being cached somewhere as a given, and start using 0.0.x while i debug this crap

[18:50:41] <preyalone> heh, 0.0.0 works flawlessly: https://github.com/mcandre/liquidnitrogen

[18:54:28] <tos9> well yeah requirements.txt isn't required, so it won't be caught by pip install -e . or by anything else

[18:54:33] <tos9> it shoudl be caught by running your tests though

[18:54:55] <tos9> generally my process is to create an sdist, unzip it, create a venv, install it in there, run the tests, they pass, I upload

[18:54:59] <tos9> tox can automate some of that

[18:59:56] <jessamynsmith> yay tox :)

[19:06:02] <ronny> im slowly working torwards continious releasing tools

[19:06:15] <ronny> every day that has a commit on master should have a release

[19:27:58] <preyalone> How do I search http://pypi.python.org for packages by author name? I can't seem to get the search box syntax right

[19:46:13] <preyalone> gross, looks like i have to do https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apypi.python.org+Andrew.Pennebaker

[19:57:15] <ronny> preyalone: might be a item for warehose, it'll replace the current ewthing in a while

[20:00:09] <preyalone> awesome! https://warehouse.python.org/user/Andrew.Pennebaker/