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[13:11:20] <apollo13> should pip install --pre "Django~=1.9" install django 1.9a1?

[13:12:08] <apollo13> oh well pip install --pre "Django~=1.8" installs 1.9a1 :D

[13:14:19] <mgedmin> oh my that doesn't seem right

[13:14:43] <apollo13> mgedmin: it does, technically 1.9a1 is less than 1.9

[13:15:27] <mgedmin> but is it useful?

[13:15:58] <mgedmin> ~= is for packages that have a similar API (assuming semantic versioning); 1.9a1 is more likely to be API-compatible with 1.9 than with 1.8 imho

[13:16:17] <apollo13> na, not really useful

[13:16:40] <mgedmin> would pip install --pre 'Django < 1.9' go and install 1.9a1? I thought the '<' was special-casing alpha versions

[13:17:16] <apollo13> na that install 1.8.5

[13:18:12] <xafer> you have to use pip install --pre "Django~=1.8.0" I think

[13:18:26] <apollo13> xafer: no, 1.8

[13:18:35] <apollo13> but yeah, that works as I said above

[13:18:40] <mgedmin> oh, right, the number of dots in ~= expressions always trips me up

[13:19:03] <mgedmin> ~= 1.9.0 is "anything from 1.9.0a1 until (but not including) 2.0a1"

[13:19:11] <xafer> Django~=1.8 basically means >=1.8,==1.* ... so yeah you get 1.9 and would also get 1.10 if it existed

[13:19:41] <apollo13> oh indeed

[13:19:47] <apollo13> I was just lucky :D

[13:20:07] <xafer> I agree this is a tricky notation :o

[13:20:48] <apollo13> but pip install --pre "Django~=1.8.0"does not install 1.9 alpha whereas pip install --pre "Django~=1.8" does :D

[13:20:59] <apollo13> makes sense, but meh

[13:46:04] <dstufft> I want to add a notation like like "Django^=1.8" which will always pad the thing out to 3 segments and doesn't have the finnicky-ness w/ number of segments that ~= does

[13:46:27] <dstufft> but that's not a major worry atm

[14:15:01] <nedbat> dstufft: why not: "Django^=1.8.*" or something.

[18:22:26] <O0ddity> The virtualenv package coming from pip is a bit stale. How frequently do these get updated?

[18:56:54] <Callek> Question: Is it expected that a python package that is compressed as a .zip won't unpack with pip "latest" but will with pip 0.6.2 ?

[18:57:08] <Callek> (server is likely sending wrong mime type, but unverified)

[22:24:19] <jedahan> how come my newly published package does not show up in search? direct link is https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ksr

[22:30:13] <dstufft> it takes a bit of time

[22:39:36] <jedahan> ahh ok