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[16:37:14] <nedbat> when pip runs git, it uses "git fetch -q". Can I change the -q so I can diagnose something that's stuck?

[16:48:50] <ionelmc> nedbat: monkeypatch

[16:49:25] <ionelmc> half-serious, not sure

[16:50:48] <carljm> nedbat: Can't you just run the equivalent git command to what pip runs, minus the -q, but not through pip at all?

[16:51:26] <nedbat> carljm: yeah, that's the way to go, thanks

[16:51:52] <tos9> nedbat: FWIW, I'm making a guess, but if you're trying to figure out why some junk isn't working via pip and you use git hooks, that's a place you should check

[16:52:05] <tos9> there's an oft-annoying race condition that occasionally pops up there

[16:53:44] <ngoldbaum> there's a package i was trying to install just now named pyx. The latest versions don't support python 2, and when you do "python setup.py install" inside the pyx source distribution, you get an error message telling you that. However, when you do "pip install pyx" on python2, pip produces an obscure error message: https://bpaste.net/show/824941587cad

[16:53:56] <ngoldbaum> is this something I should report to pyx, or is this an issue with pip?

[16:54:13] <ngoldbaum> http://pyx.sourceforge.net/

[16:54:52] <tos9> now named pyx. The latest versions don't support python 2, and

[16:54:56] <tos9> er

[16:54:57] <tos9> nedbat: http://sourceforge.net/p/pyx/bugs/64/

[16:55:01] <tos9> dammit. ngoldbaum ^

[16:55:40] <ngoldbaum> tos9: sure, but isn't it bad that pip isn't printing a useful error message?

[16:55:56] <tos9> ngoldbaum: It's bad that that module is raising exceptions in their setup.py

[16:56:07] <ngoldbaum> ah ok, so bug in pyx