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[16:24:39] <sanguisdex> hi I was wondering if I could get some help debugging this failed pip install of tethne, https://paste.pound-python.org/show/BRYAfpVQX5oFNf5Z8U8A/. Ubuntu 16.04,Python 2. I have already manually installed markerlib before running the install for tethne

[17:52:55] <frewsxcv_> regarding: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zqHaltYj/

[17:53:17] <frewsxcv_> is there some pip cache settings? trying to help someone who can't see one of the latest publish versions of a library

[17:53:39] <frewsxcv_> they're trying to download mach==0.6.0 but "No distributions matching the version for mach==0.6.0"

[17:55:21] <ngoldbaum> frewsxcv_: --no-cache-dir

[17:55:34] <ngoldbaum> https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/reference/pip_install/#caching

[18:19:00] <frewsxcv_> where are common places for pip configs to live?

[18:19:14] <frewsxcv_> i think the user isn't able to install whl files

[18:19:53] <frewsxcv_> Skipping link https://pypi.python.org/packages/99/14/64d8c240dbce0d3278c10cf2c98dce7156327a72ebba67af26ef69f78f09/mach-0.6-py2-none-any.whl#md5=4a4e18570e950c976f9ef09d3a3b2efb (from https://pypi.python.org/simple/mach/); unknown archive format: .whl

[19:11:58] <dstufft> frewsxcv_: sounds like their pip is too old

[19:58:41] <buck1> was requires.txt removed from the python package standard?

[19:58:55] <gchristensen> you mean requirements.txt?

[20:00:32] <buck1> requires.txt

[20:01:10] <gchristensen> hrmm never heard of it, but I see it here: https://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/formats.html#requires-txt

[20:01:18] <buck1> at one point in time held the "extras"

[20:01:33] <ronny_> buck1: do you mean the egg-info thing?

[20:01:38] <buck1> yes

[20:01:49] <buck1> i have egg-info for a package with extras, but no requires.txt

[20:01:52] <ronny_> metadata 2.0 uses something else

[20:01:58] <buck1> and the old thing is gone?

[20:02:07] <ronny_> it should still be in egg-info

[20:02:19] <ronny_> but metadata 2.0 uses the conditionals

[20:02:22] <buck1> i see METADATA and metadata.json

[20:03:37] <buck1> gchristensen: https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/8c62156580a8a21a47f361db6d866fff122df4e2/pip/_vendor/distlib/database.py#L933

[20:03:48] <buck1> https://github.com/pypa/pip/blob/master/pip/_vendor/distlib/database.py#L933

[20:04:08] <buck1> ronny_: "the conditionals" ?

[20:06:54] <ronny_> buck1: environment markers, they are also used for extras

[20:07:10] <buck1> weird

[20:08:36] <buck1> if i produce the egg-info via setup.py myself, requires.txt does appaear. I'll debug my stuff more =/

[20:08:38] <buck1> thanks ronny_

[20:08:56] <ronny_> buck1: what do you use to make the egg-info?

[20:09:08] <buck1> setup.py egg-info

[20:09:15] <buck1> in my manual spotcheck

[20:09:21] <buck1> i think pip install for the other

[20:09:24] <buck1> idk

[20:09:27] <buck1> looking

[20:09:50] <ronny_> buck1: what version of pip?

[20:09:56] <buck1> ancient =X

[20:10:01] <ronny_> these days pip makes wheels and installs those whenever applicable

[20:10:03] <ronny_> ouch

[20:10:04] <buck1> 1.5.5

[20:10:12] <ronny_> tripple ouch

[20:10:16] <ronny_> why are you on that?

[20:10:39] <buck1> we did some refinements during those days we're stsill using

[20:10:48] <buck1> very similar to what was done in 7 and 8

[20:13:38] <ronny_> buck1: soyou run a own fork?

[20:14:06] <buck1> no a fork as much as a set of monkey patches =X

[20:14:46] <buck1> ronny_: be kind: https://github.com/Yelp/venv-update/blob/development/pip_faster.py

[20:16:14] <ronny_> buck1: cant you bascially retire that completely and jsut go for recent pip?

[20:16:31] <buck1> of course there's implementation differences, so it will take work

[20:16:35] <buck1> but, probably?

[20:17:40] <buck1> ronny_: i'll still need the --prune monkeypatch

[20:18:10] <ronny_> hmm

[20:18:18] <ronny_> why not jsut make a new virtualenv for each deploy?

[20:20:50] <buck1> it's about dev

[20:20:55] <buck1> we do start fresh for deploy

[20:21:12] <buck1> --prune makes dev accurate w/o clean rebiuld

[20:21:17] <buck1> faster

[20:21:24] <buck1> lots

[20:21:33] <buck1> pip-faster

[20:26:40] <ronny_> buck1: hmm, but with modern pip, most rebuilds are within seconds due to the wheel cache

[20:26:54] <ronny_> buck1: how many dependencies do you have?

[20:27:18] <buck1> ronny_: 400 i think

[20:27:36] <buck1> pinging pypi 400 times takes a couple minutes

[20:28:48] <buck1> ronny_: http://engineeringblog.yelp.com/2016/03/venv-update.html#how-much-faster-is-pip-faster

[20:28:57] <buck1> the warm case is the one i'm optimizing for

[20:29:04] <ronny_> buck1: oh, i see, i do use devpi for such cases

[20:29:05] <buck1> we still get 100% improvement over pip8

[20:29:51] <ronny_> buck1: how does it compare if you put a devpi on the local box in the middle?

[20:29:58] <buck1> ronny_: no idea

[20:30:03] <buck1> not too sure what that means

[20:30:15] <buck1> it's a local cache proxy?

[20:30:30] <buck1> caching*

[20:30:55] <ronny_> buck1: devpi can be used at that, it also has local indexes, that can inherit from pypy but upload own development packages

[20:31:08] <buck1> pypi :P

[20:31:16] <ronny_> whops

[20:31:33] <buck1> my coworkers are pronouncing pypi as "pie pee"

[20:31:36] <buck1> =/

[20:32:34] <buck1> ronny_: my benchmark script is checked into the repo if you want to muck with it

[20:32:46] <buck1> http://venv-update.readthedocs.io/en/stable/benchmarks.html#benchmarks

[20:32:51] <buck1> https://github.com/Yelp/venv-update/tree/stable/benchmark

[20:33:52] <buck1> i still think --prune is useful even so. would like to see it upstream someday

[20:34:01] <buck1> can we put a setuptools backend on npm and call it done?

[20:34:21] <ronny_> oO

[20:34:35] <buck1> https://docs.npmjs.com/cli/prune

[20:35:50] <ronny_> buck1: that doesnt quite fir the mroe rich dependencies model of python ^^

[20:36:17] <buck1> do you mean the conditonals?

[20:37:19] <buck1> how do i convince pip to not blow away the tmp install directory? --no-clean isn't cutting it

[20:38:34] <ronny_> not sure, what do you need it for?

[20:52:02] <buck1> debugging

[20:52:30] <buck1> ronny_: the root problem was i had change the packaging w/o bumping the version, and the cached wheel was used =X

[20:52:54] <buck1> i think.

[20:53:39] <microdex> I setup Gunicorn on Nginx using this tutorial: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-flask-applications-with-gunicorn-and-nginx-on-ubuntu-14-04

[20:53:55] <microdex> But I'm getting "Not Found" How do I debug to see whats wrong?

[20:55:58] <buck1> microdex: i think you want #python maybe

[20:56:17] <buck1> or #archlinux even

[21:01:10] <ronny_> buck1: i change versions every commit for all projects where i can do that ^^

[21:01:26] <buck1> yea that wouldn't help, since i haven't commited yet

[21:01:40] <buck1> -dirty might'v

[21:02:00] <ronny_> in general i use tox for that ^^

[21:03:00] <buck1> ah i'm testing some code to do with installing code, so

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