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[00:05:29] <sontek> @dstufft so we finally got devpi fully upgraded but it turns out they've already backed up the change that works with this

[00:05:34] <sontek> because it broke other things

[00:05:49] <sontek> so there is no release of devpi that also works with pip 8.1.2

[00:16:07] <sontek> dstufft: and its even worse than that because it looks like `virtualenv>=14.06` has a bug in it where it *also* downloads the latest pip instead of using the one you already have

[00:16:34] <sontek> dstufft: so there is literally no way to avoid using the latest pip between tox and virtualenv even though no private index server supports this change.

[00:19:34] <dstufft> sontek:

[00:19:35] <dstufft> [18:43:10] <dstufft> sontek: MarkusH xafer or just do uhh, I think it's export VIRTUALENV_DOWNLOAD=no

[00:19:36] <dstufft> [18:43:37] <dstufft> which will make it so tox virtualenv doesn't download an updated pip when it creates a new virtualenv

[00:21:44] <sontek> oh sorry, I just came back didn't read up yet

[00:22:10] <dstufft> (there's also a CLI flag, but I don't think tox exposes a way to set that)

[00:22:58] <sontek> So this var is an env var tox reads?

[00:23:20] <sontek> I can't find docs on it

[00:24:34] <dstufft> it's an envvar that virtualenv reads

[00:25:42] <dstufft> mm

[00:25:53] <sontek> I'm trying to find a reference to it anywhere and can't find it

[00:25:58] <sontek> I see the flag thats it

[00:26:35] <dstufft> https://virtualenv.pypa.io/en/latest/reference.html#configuration

[00:26:49] <dstufft> "Each command line option is automatically used to look for environment variables with the name format VIRTUALENV_<UPPER_NAME>. That means the name of the command line options are capitalized and have dashes ('-') replaced with underscores ('_')."

[00:27:02] <dstufft> both pip and virtualenv do this :]

[00:28:53] <sontek> Cool, this seems to be working

[00:29:23] <sontek> now we just need to kill system pip/virtualenv and upgrade to versions that we were using yesterday :P

[01:23:22] <ianw> dstufft: still getting my head around hg ... but do you think removing this plugin is the right way for pep8 / bandersnatch? -> https://github.com/ianw/bandersnatch/commit/6b2c010cf8570137e71499e73ccecb2b87e4c9d3

[01:23:51] <dstufft> ianw: I dunno, I jsut comment it out tempoarily :(

[01:24:03] <dstufft> that is similar to what I do though

[01:24:03] <ianw> (i'll figure out making this into hg pull requests once i've got the index stuff merged)

[01:24:06] <dstufft> in my own projects

[01:24:31] <ianw> ok; yeah it looks like the plugin is unmaintained

[06:24:38] <sanketdg> hi I have a asciinema embedded in https://pypi.python.org/pypi/coala

[06:24:49] <sanketdg> its going out of width as you can see, how can I fix this?

[06:59:31] <MarkusH> sontek: dstufft: haven't tried it, but my change worked like a charm for us across a dozen projects

[10:25:38] <The-Compiler> So this is a long shot, but maybe someone sees something... Due to a pip update/tox bug I'm getting https://travis-ci.org/The-Compiler/qutebrowser/jobs/129667298 - now I worked around that by pinning pip 8.1.1, which worked, but since doing https://github.com/The-Compiler/qutebrowser/commit/2a91fa0cc7dda3a1c74d6fab5283451099e5ab35 (which should do exactly the same) it seems tox is using pip 8.1.2 again?

[10:28:55] <dstufft> The-Compiler: newer versions of virtualenv automatically download the latest pip by default

[10:29:14] <dstufft> export the envvar VIRTUALENV_DOWNLOAD=no to stop that and to use the version of pip bundled inside of virtualenv

[10:29:52] <The-Compiler> Oh! So the "issue" is actually that I pinned virtualenv to the newest version there

[10:31:44] <dstufft> The-Compiler: well, that your virtualenv pin happens to be one that will, by default, download the latest pip from PyPI :]

[10:33:11] <The-Compiler> Are you sure it's VIRTUALENV_DOWNLOAD? I can't find any references on it in the code/docs

[10:35:52] <dstufft> The-Compiler: https://virtualenv.pypa.io/en/latest/reference.html#configuration

[10:36:06] <dstufft> all virtualenv CLI flags get exposed as an environment variable

[10:36:08] <dstufft> (same with pip)

[10:36:33] <The-Compiler> ah!

[18:04:05] <t4nk656> Hi guys, I'm trying to upgrade a package. This package requires another package with version >=0.11 . I have 0.17 installed but pip seems to not see it and it instead downloads it again and I have always errors in building. Can someone help?