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[04:28:23] <[Tritium]> dont tell people to use debian's version of pip :(

[04:35:15] <tdsmith> doesn't that situation improve at some point in the near future or am i confused

[04:37:01] <dstufft> tdsmith: Well, yes-ish

[04:37:10] <tdsmith> does get-pip work with --user?

[04:37:24] <dstufft> I think testing/unstable and Ubuntu 16.04 all have a modern pip with minimum patching

[04:37:47] <dstufft> minimal, but we still run into weird problems that only exist with their versions of python-pip that don't occur with upstream

[04:37:56] <dstufft> so it's sort of a trade off

[04:38:02] <dstufft> tdsmith: yup! just add a --user to the execution

[04:38:50] <tdsmith> good good

[04:39:35] <tdsmith> (which puts a script in ~/.local/bin?)

[04:40:54] <dstufft> tdsmith: on a Linux yea

[04:41:11] <dstufft> Not sure where on Windows or OS X specifically

[04:42:09] <dstufft> --user will likely be the default in the future, we want to do it, just need to get all the details worked out

[04:42:24] <dstufft> and with macOS Sierra, --user and system python and pip should all play nicely together

[04:43:44] <dstufft> and with SIP too

[04:48:06] <tdsmith> how's that?

[04:48:28] <dstufft> tdsmith: finally got them to fix their sys.path so that Extras doesn't come before everything

[04:48:38] <tdsmith> whoooo

[04:49:27] <dstufft> so that fixes --user so that ``pip install --user <something they have in Extras>`` works, and --user makes it so everything works well with SIP

[16:21:23] <dstufft> nedbat: I'm not sure the best place to ask for it, but think someone could do a bok-choy release? :]

[16:21:50] <nedbat> dstufft: a release in what sense?

[16:22:05] <dstufft> nedbat: take what's on master, and put it on PyPI

[16:22:16] <nedbat> oh, have we not put it there yet?

[16:22:32] <dstufft> nedbat: nah

[16:22:43] <nedbat> i see.

[16:22:44] <dstufft> it's still 0.5.4, changelog says 0.6.0 is needed for py3 compat

[16:24:35] <nedbat> i will poke someone

[16:26:06] <dstufft> nedbat: thanks a lot :]

[19:32:25] <tos9> dstufft: did something change with packaging's RTD

[19:32:35] <tos9> getting all broken links on intersphinx links to it

[19:32:43] <dstufft> tos9: packaging.python.org you mean?

[19:32:47] <tos9> yeah

[19:33:12] <dstufft> I got rid of the /en/latest/ and switch to just /, but I added redirects from the old to the new

[19:33:18] <tos9> e.g. https://packaging.python.org/projects/#pip is now a 404

[19:33:28] <tos9> not sure where it's getting that ref from, have to remember the incantation to parse an objects.inv

[19:33:44] <dstufft> huh

[19:33:55] <dstufft> I think that /projects/ is jus broken.. for some reason

[19:34:03] <dstufft> all the other URLs work but /projects/

[19:34:05] <dstufft> that is confusing

[19:34:55] <dstufft> tos9: I'm running to the store for a bit, I'll see what /projects/ is broken when I get back

[19:35:01] <tos9> dstufft: no worries, thanks!