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[10:18:27] <pmxbot> http://chat-logs.dcpython.org/channel/pypa

[13:13:05] <sam> how long can I expect between a bdist upload and the moment the package becomes available through pip install?

[13:13:42] <sam> last time I tried it took a few seconds, but today I’ve already waited 30 minutes

[13:26:47] <Wooble> sam: that certainly sounds like it didn't actually upload. No error message? :/

[13:27:38] <Wooble> sam: are you using setup.py upload? twine is recommended for uploading these days, and setting the server to pypi.org (the legacy pypi has horrible problems with uploads :( )

[13:27:46] <sam> ah, that was my fault… I also had to do sdist upload!

[13:29:17] <Wooble> (bdist isn't all that useful anyway; use wheels)

[13:29:33] <sam> OK, thanks

[13:29:58] <sam> I package stuff for Debian but it’s the first time I use setuptools so I don’t know this ecosystem very well

[13:36:03] <Siecje> Wooble: Are there plans to deprecate the non recommended features

[13:37:48] <dstufft> Siecje: Yes.

[13:38:01] <dstufft> I am slowly murdering all the bad features

[13:38:31] <Siecje> \o/

[13:39:25] <Wooble> I look forward to the horrible but highly-upvoted stackoverflow posts telling people to not upgrade so they can continue to use misfeatures.

[13:40:03] <dstufft> Wooble: The good news is, there is only one version of PyPI, and it's the version I select >:]

[13:52:30] <Xorg> guys can I sign with gpg using setup.py rpm package ?

[14:12:32] <pombreda> Xorg: Not sure if this is possible .... Try python setup.py bdist_rpm --help to list of RPMs options.

[14:12:58] <pombreda> Xorg: My 2 cents would be to use --spec-only and use that spec file as a base to use the standard RPM tools otherwise

[14:13:22] <pombreda> I am not many folks this bdist_rpm otherwise and might not be up to snuff to what you would expect

[14:13:41] <pombreda> *I am not sure

[14:13:55] <pombreda> *I am not sure many folks use ...

[14:16:36] <Xorg> yea i guess

[14:21:55] <daniel_holth> Someone recently called bdist-rpm output useless. YMMV. I'd grab a srpm from Fedora to see how they do it.

[14:46:46] <ninjaaron> is there a way to generate a .app for OS X using setuptools?

[15:16:11] <pombreda> ninjaaron: my personal experience with build .app and .mpkg installers for OSX with and without Python tells me that it might be best hand rolled

[15:16:11] <pombreda> An OSX app is just a conventional layout and a few plists.... sorry if this does not help

[15:16:27] <pombreda> ninjaaron: you can also try py2app but I never played with it

[15:16:52] <pombreda> https://pythonhosted.org/py2app/

[15:18:27] <pombreda> I can just say that I use and contributed to some of the code from the same author (altgraph), so I would think this is decent

[15:18:27] <pombreda> https://bitbucket.org/ronaldoussoren/py2app

[15:20:01] <pombreda> daniel_holth: re RPMs, I would tend to think that packaging in non-Python native formats (msi, wininst, rpms, etcs) should be best depreacted and kiled or spun off if someone wants to take over these

[15:20:38] <daniel_holth> Probably

[16:28:57] <ninjaaron> pombreda: Yeah. I've tried py2app. It's ok. I just was curious if there was anything like 'gui_scripts' for OS X in pip/setuptools.

[16:29:03] <ninjaaron> Thanks for the info.

[18:31:35] <pombreda> ninjaaron: glad it worked for you :P does it support gui_scripts?

[22:19:11] <benno> dstufft: I can confirm that something in twine is causing requests to ignore HTTP_PROXY environment variables.

[22:25:30] <benno> Oh god. I needed to use HTTPS_PROXY.

[22:25:37] <benno> Whee.

[22:47:27] <ninjaaron> pombreda: I'm actually asking on behalf of a friend. He got his app working on his machine with py2app, but then he sent it to another friend, and it didn't work for him. I can't even actually test the app. I don't use OS X.