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[04:45:44] <ilovezfs_> 9.0.2 says

[04:45:47] <ilovezfs_> >Fallback to using SecureTransport on macOS when the linked OpenSSL is too old to support TLSv1.2.

[04:46:04] <ilovezfs_> but I'm still seeing errors during the brownout periods when using 9.0.3

[04:46:17] <ilovezfs_> Is that expected?

[09:30:58] <ChrisWarrick> Twine fails to upload a .tar.gz with a cryptic "TypeError: expected string or bytes-like object" message, how can I fix that?

[10:37:24] <njs> ChrisWarrick: I'd suggest filing a bug on twine (https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues) and paste in the full output

[10:42:10] <ChrisWarrick> njs: I managed to upload it; I might have had an old version stuck somewhere. There wasn’t any output apart from "Uploading distributions to https://upload.pypi.org/legacy/\nTypeError: expected string or bytes-like object"

[16:45:43] <bauerj> Hey

[16:46:39] <bauerj> Is there any way to make pip install a dependency like 'colorama;platform_system=="Windows"' even if the OS is not Windows?

[16:47:37] <bauerj> Or just to list all dependencies even if the environment marker doesn't match?

[18:37:51] <stenchingfaucet> hi all, was the pip 10 release date announced somewhere? looks like pypa has upgrade to pip 10, which has removed some deprecated flags, which we had not yet refactored away from using

[18:37:58] <stenchingfaucet> namely --use-wheel and --download

[18:38:38] <dstufft> stenchingfaucet: distutils-sig, psf blog

[18:42:31] <stenchingfaucet> interesting, can't find it but thanks. am surprised a major backwards-incompatible change was made with relatively little hubbub, couldn't find anything on various social media

[18:55:08] <agronholm> stenchingfaucet: why's this a problem? it was released as a beta so it won't be installed unless you specifically install it using the --pre switch

[18:56:19] <dstufft> agronholm: unless you're starting out with a sufficiently old pip to not have --pre support ofc :(

[18:56:23] <dstufft> but that's like, pip 1.3 or older?

[18:56:24] <stenchingfaucet> yeah -- i'm not totally sure what's going on, our infrastructure seems to be upgrading to pip 10 when running `pip install --index-url https://pypi.python.org/simple/ --upgrade pip`

[18:56:37] <stenchingfaucet> but that doesn't happen on my laptop

[18:56:54] <stenchingfaucet> any guesses what could cause that to happen? we're stumped

[18:56:55] <dstufft> stenchingfaucet: you might be stating out with a very old pip, before pre-release support was added

[18:57:03] <stenchingfaucet> no, we're on 9.0.1

[18:57:20] <stenchingfaucet> well, we we weren't pinning at all

[18:57:24] <stenchingfaucet> so 9.0.3 i guess

[18:57:32] <dstufft> is PIP_PRE set?

[19:00:14] <stenchingfaucet> doesn't appear to be, no