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[00:04:17] <squarecircle> ohai. I'm trying to --start devpi-server, which then tells me, that the flag is deprecated and I should use systemd - I'm a tad confused because the setup told me to use --start. I'd appreciate help :)

[00:31:22] <mcfarke311> @squarecircle: it it telling you that you should start the daemon using your is daemon service runner as opposed to having devpi server do it

[00:33:00] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: https://devpi.net/docs/devpi/devpi/latest/+doc/quickstart-server.html#quickstart-server

[00:33:20] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: I wanted to reproduce this instruction

[00:34:21] <squarecircle> It would be kind to add a section for systemd based startup

[00:42:47] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: so I have to create my own systemd file, I guess

[00:44:58] <mcfarke311> Yea. I'm not super familiar with systems, but I would think that would be a good improvement issue for new documentation. Then someone who is familiar with systems can document for others who are following the quickstart

[00:45:33] <mcfarke311> Systemd* sorry I'm on phone and obviously autocorrect doesn't like systemd

[00:47:10] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: well I just saw, that I might know the developers of devpi personally

[00:47:57] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: let me check my inbox

[00:52:25] <mcfarke311> Someone else may chime in, but a lot of times irc rooms practice the self talk problem solving methodology. Where you explaining the problem and talking to yourself helps you solve your own problem lol

[00:53:46] <squarecircle> I guess I need a crate of beer and a sturdy club

[00:53:48] <squarecircle> :D

[00:54:43] <squarecircle> the crate of beer for holger and the club to keep the customers away

[00:55:43] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: somehow, it would be easier to use a null modem cable and chat to oneself

[00:55:57] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: and I wouldn't abuse your attention

[00:56:31] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: anyway, thank you! I'll get in contact with the developers

[01:02:07] <mcfarke311> Yea. Although deprecated doesn't mean deleted... Yet. So you could make do for the time being

[01:07:03] <squarecircle> mcfarke311: well, it does not start

[09:25:45] <CoderGuy> sooo what's the fix for failed to create process?

[09:43:37] <tos9> CoderGuy: ENOCONTEXT :)

[09:44:06] <CoderGuy> I mean I think I had this problem in the past and I legit just gave up

[09:44:13] <CoderGuy> get it together PIP

[09:44:31] <CoderGuy> kinda software doesn't finisn an install and leaves the user with "failed to create processs"

[09:44:41] <CoderGuy> what even is that, that's not even an error message failed to create process where

[09:44:56] <CoderGuy> can I get some details? I thought they get billions of dollars for software

[09:45:06] <CoderGuy> how much money do you need to give me a proper error message?

[10:14:45] <CoderGuy> alright i've isolated my issue

[10:15:19] <CoderGuy> it looks like if one thing is broken then everything else breaks as well

[10:15:40] <CoderGuy> so for starters get a fresh install of pip to begin with, and if you struggle to install pip find out why that's not working

[10:16:14] <CoderGuy> anyways thx for the help i'll fix this on my own

[10:17:08] <CoderGuy> and as for why there aren't good error messages, all projects are never complete and I get it coders don't have time to always put proper error messages and we're living in a layered world layers upon layers of code and we can't always account for everything

[10:17:31] <CoderGuy> money doesn't fix this as much as we'd like it to. Also it's not like all projects have a bunch of funding or people who care

[10:18:02] <CoderGuy> I was just ranting because I wanted to fix this issue and it felt like I had no answer but now I see it's a bug based on a system configuration that is assumed not to be a problem to begin with

[10:18:37] <CoderGuy> it would be like installing something without having an operating system, it's kind of assumed there's an operating system, so I take it in all the tests ran this was never a problem

[10:45:32] <tos9> CoderGuy: You have given literally 0 details of what you're running and what problem it's giving you.

[10:45:55] <tos9> CoderGuy: Not sure who the "they" you think you're talking about that's getting billions of dollars for software is either.

[11:01:53] <CoderGuy> just in general it's a big business and I was ranting

[11:02:23] <CoderGuy> as for my personal issue, I think it has to do with my specific setup and that's why a fix isn't listed

[11:02:50] <CoderGuy> but basically pip wouldn't even run, when attempting to reinstall pip i'm getting error messages on the install, so i'm just starting from scratch