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[13:44:00] <tos9> Why do I get obscure PEP517 errors if I don't manually install new enough setuptools and wheel

[13:44:10] <tos9> Is that not part of the point/job of PEP517 or am I just configuring it wrong

[13:44:35] <tos9> My pyproject.toml: https://github.com/Julian/regret/blob/master/pyproject.toml

[13:45:33] <tos9> But e.g. https://github.com/Julian/regret/blob/1100a9686712a5fd1d21710507ec4b2b7c7ca754/.github/workflows/packaging.yml#L24 without me installing recent setuptools produces https://github.com/Julian/regret/runs/287583905#step:5:31

[13:46:08] <tos9> which pip install -U setuptools fixes, but then produces https://github.com/Julian/regret/commit/551bcfe570cb276c2b46b40e0a2a1c06232bfe2c/checks?check_suite_id=294706488#step:5:60

[13:46:18] <tos9> which pip install -U wheel then fixes, but why do I need to do all that manually

[15:07:29] <toad_polo> tos9: I'm very surprised that pip installing those libraries fixes the problem.

[15:07:53] <toad_polo> I would expect `pip install -U pip` to fix it, maybe?

[15:09:01] <toad_polo> Hm, actually, this is happening in `pep517.build`, very curious.

[15:10:37] <toad_polo> I think something strange might be happening with your `PYTHONPATH`.

[15:10:53] <toad_polo> Hard to tell from just the logs, can you reproduce locally?

[16:36:36] <tos9> toad_polo: It's hard to get such an old set of stuff

[16:36:51] <tos9> I can try though (I went to work in between those messages and now, so probably later tonight)