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[02:02:24] <toad_polo> I sorta feel bad for the SQLAlchemy people.

[02:03:36] <toad_polo> I probably shouldn't have let my curiosity get the better of me, but they seem to be flailing and not know what they are doing, and the one maintainer basically being a dick, so I have disengaged and decided to stop helping them.

[02:03:52] <toad_polo> But they are going in a very wrong direction, apparently they're going to try to build a pep 517 backend for some insane reason?

[02:04:49] <toad_polo> Also, someone should close this issue: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/7874

[20:38:48] <sumanah> https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2020/03/new-pip-resolver-to-roll-out-this-year.html