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[15:33:39] <techalchemy> thanks lazka

[15:48:00] <lazka> techalchemy, :) (I guess my bug report didn't help much, but glad it's fixed anyway)

[20:32:21] <sinsnare> Hi, I can not install any package from pip, they all give me this same SSL error. Nothing I find online seems to remedy it https://pastebin.com/raw/qBnqBV9x

[20:32:41] <sinsnare> including using --trusted-host. It seems like it just ignores that and fails anyways

[20:35:55] <sumanah> hi sinsnare - looking now

[20:36:11] <sumanah> sinsnare: when did the problem start?

[20:36:33] <sinsnare> i just saw it today, but i havent worked on this code in a month or two

[20:36:35] <sumanah> "Can't connect to HTTPS URL because the SSL module is not available" -- this makes me wonder: what version of Python are you using? and on what operating system?

[20:36:45] <sinsnare> 3.7.3 on macOs 10.14

[20:37:24] <sinsnare> i read that in older versions of MacOS the TLS version was too old, but im not running that older macOS version

[20:38:31] <sumanah> right. I'm thinking you might need to run "pip3 install -vvv upgrade pip3"

[20:38:43] <sumanah> The specific steps you need to take will depend on your operating system version, where your installation of Python originated (python.org, your OS vendor, or an intermediate distributor), and the installed versions of Python, setuptools, pipenv, and pip

[20:40:15] <sinsnare> ive tride to upgrade pip, same error as anything else. https://pastebin.com/raw/PHUksZ6D even get-pip fails to reinstall pip

[20:40:30] <sumanah> sinsnare: how was this version of Python installed on your machine?

[20:40:32] <sinsnare> im pretty sure i got python3 from homebrew

[20:41:12] <sumanah> sinsnare: is it possible for you to upgrade Python3 via homebrew?

[20:41:20] <sinsnare> im gonna try to reinstall that, yeah, thats the one thing i havent tried

[20:41:55] <sumanah> remind me - what version of pip is it?

[20:41:56] <sinsnare> oh good yes that worked, silly me.

[20:42:07] <sinsnare> i i was using pip 19, and 20 works i guess

[20:42:42] <sumanah> what version of Python were you able to upgrade to?

[20:43:01] <sinsnare> python 3.7.7

[20:44:36] <sumanah> sinsnare: ok! so does pip install work for you now?

[20:45:18] <sinsnare> yeah, pip works again! Didnt fix my pipenv issues, but at least theres a base level of sanity once more

[20:45:23] <sumanah> sinsnare: I'm wondering why the particular Python, pip, SSL module, etc. that you had didn't work -- as you said, those particular versions that you had 10 minutes ago are newer than the ones mentioned in https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2018-April/011885.html

[20:45:51] <sinsnare> yeah, that really confused me. Which is why i finally came here.

[20:46:57] <sumanah> sinsnare: Glad you did! I am scratching my head about how the problem happened on your machine

[20:47:21] <sumanah> maybe .... (rolls dice) .... environments?

[20:47:25] <sumanah> virtualenv things?

[20:47:38] <sinsnare> i tried in and out of venvs, pip didnt work

[20:50:52] <sumanah> sinsnare: I'm glad you were able to fix it. I wonder whether there was some kind of problem with the Homebrew Python 3.7.3 involving linking the system SSL library instead of the Python bundled one ... or something. I am really throwing darts at this point

[20:51:24] <sumanah> I'm also gonna take this moment to plug https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/pypi-announce.python.org/

[20:51:30] <sumanah> A low-traffic, announce-only list to announce major changes to the Python Package Index

[20:51:39] <sumanah> if you're not already subscribed sinsnare I hope you will sign up!