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[04:41:04] <famubu> How can we build a package, if we are using setuptools without a setup.py but with only pyproject.toml and setup.cfg? When `setup.py` was there, we used to do `python3 setup.py sdist wheel` as per the tutorial in the docs. How do we do this when there is no setup.py? In the pyproject.toml, under `build-system`, I added `requires = ["setuptools>=40.8.0", "wheel"]` and `build-backend = "setuptools.build_meta"`.

[04:45:14] <famubu> Is there a sample project that doesn't have setup.py that we can checkout?

[04:58:30] <famubu> Is pep517.build the only way?

[07:21:04] <McSinyx[m]> yep for sdist that's the only way

[07:22:22] <McSinyx[m]> have you considered switching to flit though?

[07:29:12] <famubu> McSinyx[m]: I was just trying out the features introduced by PEP517. Figuring what's new and what changed. :-)

[07:29:44] <McSinyx[m]> ah I understand the intentions of your questions now

[07:30:23] <McSinyx[m]> keep in mind that pep517 (the CLI tool) is supposed to be a proof of concept

[07:30:53] <McSinyx[m]> I've just recall python-build which is relatively new

[07:31:20] <McSinyx[m]> https://discuss.python.org/t/moving-python-build-to-pypa/4390

[07:41:10] <famubu> Oh, I didn't know pep517.build was not meant for production environments. So that means, for production, we better keep using setuptools with setup.py? Even if pyproject.toml is there?

[07:41:24] <famubu> And I had not heard of python-build. Thanks for pointing that out.

[07:50:57] <famubu> Suppose I have a package that's currently using setuptools without pyproject.toml, how can I port it to use poetry (or flit)? I never tried flit but tried to port a setup.py package to poetry. Couldn't figure out a way to do it.

[10:46:29] <FFY00> both pep517.build and python-build are usable right now

[10:46:55] <FFY00> but I'd wait for a new python-build release for a more complete CLI

[10:47:17] <FFY00> right now, pep517.build builds in a semi-isolated environment

[10:47:33] <FFY00> python-build does not isolate anything

[10:47:55] <FFY00> the new release will build in full isolation by default, allowing you to apot out if you want

[10:48:00] <FFY00> *opt