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[20:14:06] <jaraco> toad_polo: I’m in favor of a pep for removal of distutils from Python. I haven’t committed to writing the pep because I’m not sure I have the time or energy to see something like that through, but I’ll definitely help and I may opt to write it.

[20:14:55] <jaraco> I wouldn’t say we’re flying by the seat of our pants. We’re working from a plan (https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues/127).

[20:16:33] <jaraco> After Setuptools is stable without depending on distutils from the stdlib, I may have more time to prepare the pep.

[22:56:36] <skered> Is there any way to block a package from upgrading if it will break an existing dependency or do you need to upgrade it find out?

[23:10:10] <TheTechRobo> Is it compliant to have a setup.py *inside* the to-be-installed package? Does it work?