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[05:06:35] <mjacob> is it possible to add an optional dependency to a package that is still installed by default by pip?

[14:38:53] <tos9> I can't parse that, what does optional mean then in there :D?

[14:39:12] <tos9> as in if someone uninstalls it afterwards don't error or something?

[14:57:37] <ngoldbaum> i mean it’s not really optional at that point but you can certainly add something to install_requires that your module doesn’t need to work properly

[16:15:04] <FFY00> sangy, what do you mean exactly?

[16:15:39] <sangy> FFY00: well, I was hoping to do something akin to pacman -Si <package>. Mostly for convenience more than anything else

[16:16:23] <FFY00> uh

[16:16:38] <FFY00> not really, I don't think there is anything

[16:17:00] <sangy> that's what I was afraid of. I wonder if I could write a little script to add that to pip as an extension or so

[16:19:55] <FFY00> not sure about the extensibility of pip, probably not

[16:20:07] <FFY00> so it'd have to be a separate command

[16:20:16] <FFY00> 1min

[16:23:35] <sangy> yeah i was wondering if it could be done similarly to custom git/kubectl commands

[16:24:16] <FFY00> I am trying to find a relatively easy way for you to do this

[16:24:28] <sangy> thanks! I wonder if we should move to -dev and discuss that

[16:26:34] <FFY00> here is fine I guess

[16:27:06] <sangy> okido

[16:27:07] <lazka> tos9, I'd guess he means like a default "extra". currently you have to read the docs for things like httpx/fastapi/uvicorn to not get the minimal install by default

[16:28:31] <FFY00> yeah, I don't think importlib.metadata has a easy way to do this

[16:28:37] <FFY00> IMO it should

[16:28:41] <FFY00> cc jaraco

[16:29:19] <FFY00> we could add a importlib.metadata.Distribution.from_zip()

[16:29:50] <FFY00> this would allow us to fetch metadata from wheels

[16:30:15] <sangy> I think there was a conversation about making that metadata available as a warehouse API endpoint, without downloading the whole wheel

[16:30:38] <sangy> I think it is this one https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/8254

[16:30:46] <FFY00> yeah, but that is not available right now IIRC

[16:31:08] <sangy> yep, so then I think for now i can add a "download the zip somewhere and then print"

[16:33:38] <FFY00> I think the easiest way right now is to download the wheel, unpack it and then use importlib.metadata.metadata(path)

[16:33:59] <FFY00> sorry, importlib.metadata.Distribution.at(path).metadata