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[02:52:05] <ctismer> eriknw: not sure if it is good to have them as different processes. I thought of a more tight coupling of process space,

[02:53:29] <ctismer> with much less efforts of serializing data, but you are maybe right by thinking in terms of processes.

[02:54:08] <ctismer> but for the user experience, I want it to appear transparent.

[02:55:08] <ctismer> (I agree that the whole idea is very young and not really settled)

[03:25:56] <tomprince> ctismer: Do you know what stackless 2.8 will have over python2.7?

[03:26:25] <tomprince> I know the pypy folks are also open to improvements to the t2.x series, and it would be unfortunate if they diverged significantly.

[03:34:38] <eriknw> ctismer, I was thinking of something like the `luna` library (a branch of `lunatic python`) that provides an interface between Lua and Python, but instead of having a compatibility between Python and a non-python language, it would be between python 2 and python 3

[03:36:33] <eriknw> so python 2 runs in a python 2 runtime--and python 3 runs in a python 3 runtime--with a compatibility layer that allows objects to be passed and used between runtimes

[08:09:34] <ctismer> eriknw: interesting! I need to look into `luna`

[08:11:39] <ctismer> tomprince: there is no decision, yet. My first intent was just the compiler compatibility on Windows,

[08:12:25] <ctismer> but some useful things will come. Good idea to talk to the PyPy colleagues, thanks!

[08:14:03] <tomprince> ctismer: ssl verification is one they are talking about. As well as pip installed by default.

[08:15:48] <ctismer> tomprince: right. That makes sense, and holding such overall improvements back is the point that upsets people, IMHO

[08:47:36] <ctismer> ah, lunatic python is from Gustavo :-)

[10:01:12] <ctismer> tomprince: can you give me a reference: where is PyPy talking about 2.8?

[10:02:44] <tomprince> ctismer: I'm not sure there is anywhere specific. But I do know they are open to adding new features to 2.x (and that they plan to keep maintaining 2.x support indefinitely).

[10:02:58] <tomprince> pypy-dev mailing list is talking about adding ssl verification.

[10:03:05] <tomprince> Starting with the post by dstufft.

[10:05:59] <ctismer> tomprince: Ah, thanks